Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
accessd at shaw.ca
Mon Apr 26 09:49:29 CDT 2004
PNG is suppose to be a replacement for GIF files not JPEG files. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:23 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT jpeg lawsuit (was jpg Screen shot) I initially became interested in PNG after Unisys launched their LZW patents against software companies offering GIF support. I was under the mistaken impression the jpeg was an open standard. Guess not! IMHO, PNG is a poor substitute for JPEG, as its compression works best on images with large blocks of same colors (a la screenshots). Not very effective for photos. -----Original Message----- From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 9:01 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT jpeg lawsuit (was jpg Screen shot) Speak of the devil, we just might start seeing an increase in the use of the png format. These is a lawsuit concerning the jpeg patent rights and license fees (ala SCO UNIX code in Linux?): http://internetweek.com/e-business/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=19200171 John -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] jpg Screen shot Most Windows programs support PNG (Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Photo Editor, Internet Explorer, Irfanview, etc). It just hasn't made it to the industry standard realm the same way as other formats have. (Magazines asking for JPG files instead of PNGs for screenshots, for example). I think you'd be hard pressed to find a current graphics file viewer that doesn't support it. -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] jpg Screen shot Brett: Would it be a problem if you wanted to send a file to someone? Is PNG format supported by Windows or any of the popular viewers? Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Barabash" <BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: RE: [AccessD] jpg Screen shot > By far, the absolute best format for screenshots is PNG. Near-infinite > color range (handles 32-bit palettes with ease), lossless compression, and > tiny file size. > > Unfortunately, it is open-source based so it hasn't made it to the > mainstream like other more popular formats (GIF, JPG). > > I wrote a global error handler that automatically grabs a full screen shot > of the users' workstation upon app failure and stores it as a PNG on the > network. Files range between 8KB and 25KB! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:23 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] jpg Screen shot > > You should make this into an article. > > Thanks to everyone who helped. I eventually used Irfanview which looks like > a very complete program. Just got a note from the publisher - the jpg is > fine. Of course, in the magazine it's going to be probably no bigger than > 2" x 2" > > Regards, > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] jpg Screen shot > > > > ...don't use any program that initially captures your screen as a jpeg > ...I > > won't go into the details here but when you save an image as a jpeg you > are > > using a lossy algorithm that throws away portions of the graphic ...its > the > > nature of the beast ...in order to give them the high quality jpeg they > > need, start with a decent graphics program that lets you capture the image > > in a high quality, uncompressed format to begin with ...Photoshop and > > paintshoppro are the mainstream programs ...I personally use paintshoppro > > (www.jasc.com) ...set your screen resolution to the highest resolution > your > > graphics card can support and make sure your image capture area is clean > and > > clear at that resolution ...capture the image and save it into un > > uncompressed format, preferably the native format of your graphics program > > ...in paintshoppro that would give you an image with a .pspimage file tag > > ...using that image you can do all sorts of image enhancements to make > your > > saved image look better ...then resize it to 300dpi ...if you started at a > > much lower screen resolution you might wind up with too small an image at > > this point ...once the image is sized/cropped/enhanced just as you'd like > to > > see it, use your graphics program's feature that optimizes it and saves it > > as a jpeg ...use zero compression (even though the jpeg will still have > some > > inherent image quality loss) and make sure that you use the comparison > > feature to ensure minimal visible loss of image quality in the resulting > > file. > > > > ...now you have a decent sized jpeg at the desired dpi that is the best > that > > you can present ...hth :) > > > > William Hindman > > "Always code as if the person who is maintaining or testing your code is > > a violent psychopath who knows where you live." William Silverstein > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:30 PM > > Subject: [AccessD] jpg Screen shot > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > A magazine wants a screen shot from my software and they would like it to > be > > 300dpi. > > > > What's the best way to get that off the screen and into a jpg? > > > > MTIA, > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ > The information in this email may contain confidential information that > is legally privileged. The information is only for the use of the intended > recipient(s) named above. 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