[AccessD] Good laptop cheap

John W. Colby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Thu Dec 9 09:47:10 CST 2004


Yes, it does say that (kind of), however:

A) MS specifically ALLOWS you to use a single copy on a desktop and a
laptop.  I have had to call them to get an activation because I installed it
on my desktop and then tried to put it on my laptop.  They told me that it
was OK to do that and gave me an activation code.

B) You ARE allowed to move the license from computer to computer.  In order
to be in compliance you must uninstall it from the previous machine.  So the
TRANSFER is legal IF you uninstall on the previous system.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawhon, Alan C
Contractor/Morgan Research
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap


John:

Excuse me for asking this silly question, but doesn't the EULA license
agreement for Windows and Office state explicitly that you are licensed ONLY
to use your copy of Windows (and Office) on a SINGLE COMPUTER and you may
NOT install - or transfer - your copy of Windows (and Office) to another
computer?  Of course, I know that [probably] 99.9 percent of Windows and
Office users do this when they buy a new box, but strictly speaking you are
in violation of a legal agreement when you reinstall your software on a new
computer.

Is this correct, or I am just confused?

I purposely wait at least 2-3 years between major hardware/system upgrades
because by the time two or three years have passed, CPU speeds have [at
least] doubled (if not tripled) and major new versions of Windows and Office
have been released - which are usually preinstalled with the new box.  In
effect, I auto-upgrade my software whenever I buy new hardware - and I
always stay totally legal - although it does seem like I spend an awful lot
on things like anti-virus software, firewall software, "Anonymizer" software
- not to mention all the database and developer tool software ...  Now I
realize why I always have a high credit card balance!

Alan C. Lawhon


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap


Alan,

You are definitely too demanding.  Look at the prices for notebooks.  Sure
you can get a DELL, you can get it with Office installed.  But you pay a LOT
for the privilege.  I already own office, I purchased it separately.  I own
it and I can move it from system to system as I please.  If you get a
version installed on a laptop, it comes in that laptop's install / restore
disk which won't install on any other machine.  That's just plain silly.

Buy a good laptop, get the best price possible.  Buy Office, get the best
price possible.

Because you refused to buy a laptop without Office installed you missed out
on the best price for a laptop of that value I have EVER seen.  So go ahead,
drop an extra 350 dollars and get less of a laptop with Office on it from
Dell.  

Not me!

In fact I became a Microsoft "partner" and bought the action pack for $300.
I get TEN LICENSES for Office, Windows XP, SQL Server 2000 and a TON of
other stuff.  Why in the world would I pay for a laptop with that stuff
installed?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawhon, Alan C
Contractor/Morgan Research
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap


Bob:

You ask a good question ...  I may be "too demanding" or whatever, but, at a
minimum, I expect a computer to come with the current version of Windows -
and a decent version of Microsoft Office - irrespective of "how good" the
price may be.  (I read an article several months ago on /. to the effect
that mass market PC sellers like Dell, Gateway, Toshiba and eMachines pay
Microsoft something like $49.00 for each copy of Windows; so the software IS
NOT a major component of system cost.)  I figure that bundled "home
editions" of Windows and Office [together] probably cost the retail seller
somewhere around $125.00.

I went down to Best Buy last Friday to check out the $750.00 (after
rebates) eMachines model M5405 notebook computer that John Colby had tipped
us about.  Once I discovered that the M5405 DID NOT have Microsoft Office
installed, (it had some puny collection of utilities that it called
"Microsoft Works"), I said "Sayonara" on that deal and left the store.

Alan C. Lawhon
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Heygood [mailto:bheygood at abestsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap


curious, did either of these come with actual disks for windows and such.
seems there is a trend towards not including such...

sorry if too OT,


bob heygood



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap


Don't do it John,

I never look at PC specs after I have purchased a PC, because no matter
what, you will see a better deal.

I hope that you enjoy the new machine,

Mark





On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:38:59 -0500, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> For all those who were not able to take advantage of the Emachines
> laptop (or didn't trust the brand)
>
>
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1093468419744&type=product&skuId=
> 6851267&tab=6
>
> A nice Toshiba for $650 after rebates.  Not as much machine as the
Emachines
> but still a good deal.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
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