John W. Colby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Tue Feb 10 21:49:16 CST 2004
OTOH it would be nice if they would BOTHER to fix the outstanding bugs that just seem to propagate down from version to version. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:36 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Next Version of Access 12 Musings on what might ha ppen (RANT) All true, but the issue raised was: "How many companies would still be running DOS if they had a choice? I bet a lot, because it is the function of the software that really matters in business, and not so much the underlying technology." The 'function of the software' of the many applications running today, simple would not be capable of running under DOS due to its limitations, hence the reason why alternatives have been designed. I'd say that companies wouldn't really care what the underlying OS is, as long as their apps of choice would run. I can't see many cases at all where an org would *choose* to run an application under DOS if they had the choice. This whole discussion of 'leave Access alone its not broke' is raised whenever new versions are released. Its unfortunate that many are unwilling to even consider the advances that could be made. I'd be interested to know how many here have actually used Visual Studio and/or programmed in .Net. If not, I don't see how you can pass judgement in this areas on possible improvements, advances or tools that you've not used. (Yes, I professionally program in this environment and consider the framework / languages and environment superior to that of the Access IDE, which I have thoroughly enjoyed using for the past 10 years). We work in a dynamic industry that is constantly changing. Some of us seem to refuse to adapt or accept change and others look to the future. Cheers, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 12:17 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] Next Version of Access 12 Musings on what might ha ppen (RANT) Technically speaking, Andrew, there are a LOT of companies running DOS. Any company that has a Windows 9x machine is still running DOS. (Of course, it's 7.1 and 7.2 for 95 and 98 (no idea what it is for ME)). After DOS 6.22, SHARE.EXE was added, which provided multi-tasking capabilities for the OS, and it is what Windows 9x uses. Windows 9x is technically a GUI, not really an OS, where as NT based systems are using NT, versus DOS. (You can't boot to DOS in an NT system, because DOS isn't present anymore. In ME, you couldn't directly boot to DOS, simply because MS wanted to make it more difficult to actually get to the true OS.) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:55 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Next Version of Access 12 Musings on what might ha ppen (RANT) >> How many companies would still be running DOS if they had a choice? I >> bet a lot, because it is the function of the software that really matters in business, and not so much the underlying technology. And you honestly believe that the capabilities (functionality) of DOS would support todays applications... You've got to be kidding me. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 3:50 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Next Version of Access 12 Musings on what might happen (RANT) I guess I was trying to get two points across about open source: * Open source projects tend to have a much longer life cycle. I mean, how long has perl and BSD been around? This gives practitioners enough time to not only master their skills, but use them productively. * If you base strategic company assets on an open source platform, and it falls out of disfavor, you are not forced to rewrite/upgrade simply because it is obsolete. Since you have the source, you can maintain and extend it as long as you wish. It seems the longer life cycle of open source better matches the typical business life cycle of a software product. How many companies would still be running DOS if they had a choice? I bet a lot, because it is the function of the software that really matters in business, and not so much the underlying technology. -Ken -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 7:27 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] Next Version of Access 12 Musings on what mighthappen(RANT) >>But at least Open Source will never force you to abandon software you like. ROFTL Famous last words! Charlotte Foust _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. 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