[AccessD] VB.NET

What reporting features are in vb.net?  Or do you need something like
Crystal to do reports?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB.NET


> LOL.  Good points, I agree and disagree on some.  I like some of what you
> call VB 'quirks'.  Just a difference in opinions I guess.
>
> Hands down I agree that inheritance is a big step up.  I still haven't
been
> 'wowed' though.  Just my opinion, I guess I'm just being a stick in the
mud.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB.NET
>
>
> As part of the code execution process, VB.NET code is compiled to CIL
> (common intermediate language) code to run through the CLR (common
language
> runtime).  You can still step through the code, set breakpoints, etc. the
> same as VB6 though.
>
> Since everything I develop is in house, installing the .NET runtimes isn't
a
> big deal for me.  I know that many ISVs are apprehensive about creating
.NET
> applications, since packaging the framework with their app would add 23 MB
> to it.  Even in that case, there are already a handful of 3rd party
linkers
> available that will allow you to distribute your app with only the
necessary
> assemblies instead of the entire framework.  For example:
> http://www.remotesoft.com/linker/
>
> What pains do I have with VB6?  (...and how does .NET improve upon them?)
> Well, for starters...
>
> - No object inheritance (Inherits keyword)
> - Flaky Initialize/Terminate events instead of proper object constructors
> (New, Finalize)
> - Hit 'n' miss garbage collection (it is no longer necessary to Set =
> Nothing, in fact the Set keyword is no more)
> - Declaring object variables As New = Pure evil (fixed in VB.NET: As New
> actually creates a new instance instead of the "instantiate on demand"
> nonsense)
> - Cannot initialize variables when declaring (Dim x As Integer = 123)
> - Weird bracket syntax for calling functions instead of subs (ALL
procedures
> have brackets around the arguments when calling them, and the Call keyword
> is no more)
> - Implicit type conversion and default Variant datatypes (Option Strict)
> - Default object properties e.g. MyControl = "Hello" : Hmm... What
property
> am I modifying? (no longer allowed, except for indexed properties)
> - Crappy On Error GoTo error handling method (Try...Catch Exception)
> - Cumbersome Win32 API calling conventions i.e. converting your data to
> match the C DLL syntax. (most of these calls have been built into the
> framework.)
> - Default ByRef procedure arguments = Pure evil again (now defaults to
> ByVal)
> - Arrays and collections can be tricky to work with and somewhat limited
> (ArrayList)
> - Cannot delegate event handling (Handles keyword)
> - Form/control behavior is difficult to override e.g. DEEP/WithEvents (you
> can now actually inherit the Windows.Forms class and override/extend any
> behaviors you want.  Or how about creating base "template" forms and
> inheriting your application screens from them).
> - Archaic Open, Input, Print, etc. I/O methods (System.IO)
> - No console I/O support (you can now create a console project, which is
> ideal for apps that run as part of batch processes).
> - Windows services require a separate OCX (you can now create a Windows
> Service project).
> - Multithreading is near impossible to implement, and is often unstable
> (System.Threading)
> - COM DLL hell: Installing a newer COM DLL can cause projects to break
> (fixed with the Global Assembly Cache, allowing multiple versions of a
> library to happily live on the same machine. The application's manifest
and
> config files specify which version to use).
>
> As I said earlier, the learning curve has been a steep one, but I feel
like
> a kid on Christmas morning again, with all these new toys to play with!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:41 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB.NET
>
>
>
> Yes, but I think more pains have been added.  I noticed it compiles like
> C++.  Have you ever compiled C++?  I am very novice at C++, but I went
> C++in,
> built my own little program.  Compiled it, ran it.  Yippie.  Decided to
get
> trickier with the code, compiled/built it......errors.  Any help on the
> errors?  Nothing obvious.  Just errors.  Took me a while to figure out and
> fix.
>
> Now, doing the exact same thing in VB 6.0, goof the code, compile it, and
VB
> stops at the line it is having trouble with.
>
> Don't know if they do that in .Net or not, but I'm curious.  Not too
mention
> the 'runtimes' required for .NET, versus VB.
>
> I did the film thing though, just haven't figured out what machine I'm
going
> to install it on.
>
> Just out of curiousity, what 'pains' do you have with VB?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:01 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB.NET
>
>
> Just completed a 1-week course on VB.NET.  IMHO, almost every pain
> associated with VB6 has been addressed in the current release.  Clearly a
> steeper learning curve than prior releases (they added something like 26
> keywords to the syntax), but MUCH more powerful.
>
> I'm looking forward to developing my first .NET app shortly.
>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: gustav at cactus.dk
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.NET
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:11:23 +0200
>
> >Hi Jim
> >
> >Yes, US citizens and canads only ... for those tempted by C# there is
> >an open source alternative with no videos - I read about it in Mike
> >Gunderloy's newsletter:
> >
> >  http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/
> >
> >By the way, how are our fellow listers flirting with .Net
> >progressing?
> >JC (and who?)?
> >
> >/gustav
> >
> >
> >> Microsoft is giving away free copies of VB.NET standard. There is
> >a process
> >> that needs to be observed before a fully operation CD will be
> >mailed out.
> >> You have to follow through a set of 5 web videos and entry web
> >pages before
> >> you are allowed to fill the form that will hold your mailing
> >address.
> >
> >> List members will not find the process a difficulty one, but it
> >can be a
> >> little lengthy. So go get yourself a cup of coffee or Chi Tea,
> >turn your
> >> monitor and speakers on and get ready to embrace VB.NET.
> >
> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/atthemovies/
> >
> >> Unfortunately, Microsoft's generousity only extends to inhabitants
> >of Canada
> >> and of course USA.
> >> Jim
>
>
>
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