Scott Marcus
marcus at tsstech.com
Wed Jun 9 11:02:06 CDT 2004
<< A natural key is a subset of attributes that occur in a table and act as a << unique identifier - the classic relational key. Keys are visible, and you << can verify them in the external reality. Examples include UPC codes, << geographical coordinates, and DNA. The example of UPC code as a natural key violates the reasoning for saying an auto-number can't be a key. The UPC code is nothing more than numbers that represent a grouping of objects (company, product, etc). Am I wrong? Scott Marcus TSS Technologies, Inc. marcus at tsstech.com (513) 772-7000 -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence (AccessD) Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:21 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: The Great Primary Debate Hi All: And while we are all on the subject of keys, I was reading an interesting article on keys and the various types of keys...some I had never heard of or more accurately differentiated and described. The view of the article suggests that there is a need for specialized keys but their choice is dictated by data or requirements. I now take the liberty to post this information here. Some of the list may be very familiar and some may not. I personally prefer the auto-numbering PK because of it's speed and guaranteed uniqueness. <quote> A relational key is a subset of attributes that identify a row in a table. Thus, an autonumbering scheme can never be a key by definition: It's not an attribute of anything except the machinery's internal state. Pointers and other physical implementation details fail as identifiers on the same principle. A natural key is a subset of attributes that occur in a table and act as a unique identifier - the classic relational key. Keys are visible, and you can verify them in the external reality. Examples include UPC codes, geographical coordinates, and DNA. An artificial key is a visible attribute added to the table. It doesn't exist in the external reality but can be verified for syntax or check digits inside itself. For example, open codes in the UPC scheme can be assigned to a user's own stuff. The check digits still work, but you have to verify them inside your own enterprise. A "uniqueifier", isn't based on attributes in the data model and is exposed to the user. There's no way to predict or verify it. The system obtains a value through some physical process totally unrelated to the logical data model. Example: IDENTITY columns, other autonumbering devices. A surrogate key is a system generated to replace the actual key behind the covers where the user never sees it. It may or may not be based on attributes in the table. Examples: hashing algorithms or pointers from many columns back to a common set of domain values </quote> Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: The Great Primary Debate IMO the PK shouldn't be meaningful, and shouldn't be used in any calculations at all, so it shouldn't matter if its perfectly sequential or not. It's just there to uniquely identify records and used internally in relationships. An Autonumber PK fits the bill perfectly in Access, just as an Identity integer field in SQL Server does. Because its meaningless it will never need to be changed and hence won't cause the problems that would occur when using a natural key. My 2 cents... I never really understand what the arguments about, but hey... 'whatever floats your boat' -----Original Message----- From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 9:07 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: The Great Primary Debate On 7 Jun 2004 at 13:27, Ken Ismert wrote: > > 3. That's why I said auto-generated! This is where relying on a ANPK can > cause you problems: you can't extend the table without ruining your > calculations. > > For regular, sequential data (no interruptions) with a single field natural > key, or any data where a unique key can be mathematically calculated (as > above), you can make an argument that ANPK is redundant, and can actually > make the data more difficult to work with. This is where intent of the data, > and your data modeling style, plays the deciding role in your PK choice. > In your data dimension table example, you are creating a meaningful field SequentialDateNumber (which you are calling ID) and are using it in data calculations. Thr real question in this situation is not whether you use this natural key as a PK, but whether you have a PK in the table at all - which comes down to the sub-debate about "what is a PK and what is it used for" :-) -- Lexacorp Ltd http://www.lexacorp.com.pg Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support. -- _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may contain information protected by law from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. 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