[AccessD] For Money or Love

Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Thu Jun 24 03:07:17 CDT 2004


Now I know why you coming.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:05 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] For Money or Love


> Oh, Arthur, I'm so sorry.  I lost a good friend earlier this year and I
> hate to lose another, even one I've never met face to face.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] For Money or Love
>
>
> IMO this is not required. I just need to be guaranteed my rent and phone
> bill and food and cat food and car insurance, etc. Beyond that, I don't
> need to accumulate wealth. I just want my obligations covered, and if I
> have any time left then it's free.
>
> Not to say I am the measure of anyone but myself, but that's my frame of
> reference. I'm writing a screenplay in my off-hours currently. It may
> sell; I have sold two previously and thus have an agent who is
> interested; but frankly I don't care whether it sells.
>
> I have some serious medical issues and won't be around much more than a
> year. Faced with that kind of news, one confronts "what do you want to
> do before you bid adieu"? -- mitigated of course by what can you afford
> to do, and so on. I reduced my list to 3 items -- go to Ireland for a
> visit, revisit Paris for a couple of days to review the most beautiful
> city in the world, and knock out the aforementioned screenplay. Anything
> else that I manage is wonderful and gratuitous and gratis.
>
> I do need to make a living for a year or so, but I can do that in about
> 20 hours a week. The screenplay will take another hour a day minimum.
>
> I confess that I am running out of petrol, however; thus my relative
> absence from this list. I can manage it once a week or so, and respond
> too late to most messages to be useful and timely. But I feel that I
> have made a lot of friends here, despite the fact that I have never met
> almost all of you.
>
> "Nothing concentrates the mind like the knowledge that you will hanged
> in the morning."
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:30 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hiding Back End Design
>
>
> 'Open source' should pervade into all areas of the information age.
> Music, programming, videos, etc.  Unfortunately it will take a complete
> change in humanity's driving force....the accumulation of wealth.  As
> long as people are trying to make a buck, it will be virtually
> impossible to get them to do stuff simply for the betterment of society.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:15 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hiding Back End Design
>
>
> I'm in late on this thread, but it seems to me that this requirement for
> a hidden database design should have been in the project specs right
> from the start, and that its presence there should have signalled a
> warning that Access was the wrong database for this job, and the wrong
> front end too. Something like VB with a RAIMA back end would IMO have
> been a wiser choice. Of course, if this requirement were not in the
> project specs from the beginning, who would know? This is one of those
> classic examples of how major changes to the specs introduced late in
> the game cost 20 times as much as they would have if introduced early.
>
> On the subject of open-source, way back when in the days of Clipper I
> had a company that sold 6 libraries for Clipper developers. We included
> all the source code to each of them. Most of the code was in Clipper,
> but some was in C and some in assembly language. No doubt some people
> did things with it that were not covered in the license, but on the
> other hand a small cadre of "believers" formed around us, and some of
> them submitted significant enhancements to our original code. We
> credited them in the comments on the relevant source files and mentioned
> them in the documentation, and sent them an Artful sweatshirt. That was
> payment enough for them.
>
> This is hardly the Linux open-source model, I realize. I wish that the
> open-source model would "infect" the Windows world more than it has so
> far. Access developers are among the most willing to share, I find, but
> there is lots of VB and C and C++ code out there too. Most of the time
> these free offerings are components or gussied-up controls and so on. It
> would be cool, IMO, if it went up a notch, to the application level. For
> example, apps vaguely like the application wizard can create in Access.
> Unfortunately, most of these wiz-generated demo-apps don't reflect good
> design principles, IMO.
>
> While on this subject, does anyone know how to interface with this
> wiz-generator? I.e., suppose I want to create (let's keep it simple for
> the discussion) a General Ledger app with a Chart of Accounts, General
> Journals etc., can I do so in such a way that the wizard will detect its
> presence and automatically add it to the list of apps you can generate?
>
> If memory serves, old versions of this wizard offered to populate the
> resulting app with sample data, but new versions don't. Anyone have any
> idea why this feature was dropped?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:20 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hiding Back End Design
>
>
> Gustav,
>
> "Personally, I think the time for proprietary systems has passed -
> customers need systems they can drag data from to be used elsewhere."
>
> Never a truer word said.
>
> With the decision by the Munich government to migrate to Linux, France
> looking to do the same and Brazil on the verge, it seems as though the
> end is nigh for the proprietary software/business model.
>
> Hmmm, sorry I went a bit off topic there..... ; )
>
> Rocky - if a cracker wants to crack your software he will. There are
> teams of these people out there who see it as a challenge. Why waste
> your time?
>
> Vlad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 June 2004 4:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hiding Back End Design
>
>
> Hi Rocky
>
> No, you cannot open or attach tables from the BE without the correct
> password. But as stated from several already, you can google up at least
> three password crackers.
>
> Next step would be Access security as mentioned by Drew, and the next
> would be to apply field encryption which is a major step.
>
> By why not turn it completely around: make the design open and
> documented as "this is the way to build a database for an application
> like this"? Then you are the master and everyone else is the replicant -
> following the "Rocky" standard. Personally, I think the time for
> proprietary systems has passed - customers need systems they can drag
> data from to be used elsewhere.
>
> Also, I really doubt someone can figure out the intelligence of your app
> just by watching the table design. One can watch what is going on when
> data have been entered or updated but not _how_, and if someone can
> figure it out, he will already know how to build a similar app without
> knowing your table design.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > If I'm reading the help file correctly, encryption does not hide the
> > objects, just the data, yes?  I need to hide the design of the back
> > end. Password protection is too weak.  I'll be up against
> > professionals.
>
> > Rocky
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hiding Back End Design
>
>
> >> Hi Rocky
> >>
> >> You can encrypt the database. Not bulletproof, of course, but keeps
> >> the average user away.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >> > Is there a way to easily hide the back end design?  My distributor
> >> > in
> > Taiwan feels that if the back end design is not hidden then the
> > product
> can
> > be easily knocked off.
>
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