[AccessD] Lookup Fields in Table Design

I was hoping for "Bounders" and "Cads"

John Bartow wrote:

>I guess maybe "nay-sayers" had a negative connotation to it.
>
>Next time I think I'll call the opposing views "Shirts" and "Skins". Maybe
>we'll get more people participating :o)
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:51 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lookup Fields in Table Design
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>
>Thank you.  I've had my opinion changed on this list before too.  And I
>always learn something new in here.  But I was wondering if I was starting
>to lose it, because I hadn't seen any solid 'evidence' from the nay-sayers.
>That's all I was asking for.  Reproducable results.  It was very easy for me
>to reproduce the Date Table 'examples', and see that they are definitely
>more efficient then using calculations in a query, for sorting and
>searching.
>
>Just haven't seen anything like that with the Lookup topic.  Which isn't
>surprising though.  It is something that has been mystified in the
>'relational database' world.  It's in books, on the web, and thus is
>defended simply by pointing to other references.  Those are the hardest
>walls to topple.  It's a paradigm.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:16 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lookup Fields in Table Design
>
>
>I started the thread decidely not using lookup properties for the past 5
>years because of the overwhelming attitude among developers that it
>shouldn't be used. (IIRC that's when I first read Dev's "10 Commandments".)
>
>I had no "side" in this debate other than pointing out weaknesses I saw in
>specific arguments (and being "cutesy" at times) Rarely is someone go to
>fully switch "sides" in a debate. (So I don't expect everyone to agree with
>me.) I believe that, based on this thread, the people who argued that it is
>OK to use lookup properties have won the day.
>
>Unless someone comes up with a solid reason why it should never be used I
>will not hesitate to use it again when the situation warrants.
>
>I challenge anyone to use facts to convince me otherwise. In fact I would
>very much appreciate it. And I'll buy you a few if you can do so!
>
>John "always open to the facts" Bartow
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:44 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Lookup Fields in Table Design
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>
>Forget it.  You insist that your opinion carried the day.  Go right
>ahead and believe it, but don't expect everyone else to agree.
>
>Charlotte Foust
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