Andy Lacey
andy at minstersystems.co.uk
Sun May 16 07:41:55 CDT 2004
Damned if you, damned if you don't. The moderator's lot. :-) -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > William Hindman > Sent: 16 May 2004 01:57 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > > ...you get a lot of coal in your Christmas stocking don't you? :) > > ...you're of course right ...a moderator's job is never > appreciated until you join an unmoderated one ...thanks :) > > William Hindman > "The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:35 AM > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > > > No chance of this going to the Tech list I don't suppose. > > > > -- Andy Lacey > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss > > > Sent: 15 May 2004 07:09 > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > > > > > > > > I was looking around in diskmanagement on 2000 pro and it > appears to > > > have RAID 1 configurability. In NT4 you had to copy files from > > > server to get the RAID 1 configurability in NT 4 Workstation. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss > > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:40 AM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > > > > > > > > With the Promise RAID, you get two cables. I think that > you can put > > > both drives on one cable but I also think that the > controller has a > > > channel per connector, which is almost as good as having two > > > controllers for duplexing in case a controller flakes. > > > > > > I can't lay my hands on a manual right now so I cant be > sure about > > > the two drives on a cable, but like I said I think that > you gain a > > > channel by using both connectors, and thats just like > adding a pair > > > of suspenders along with a belt to insure that your pants stay up. > > > > > > This is definitely the way to go for anyone that just absolutely > > > can't afford to lose their data, and a lot of motherboards are > > > shipping with RAID controllers on board. I read > somewhere, maybe on > > > winternals.com that you can use the software RAID > functionality of > > > Win 2000 Server on 2000 Pro. > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. > > > Colby > > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:22 AM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > > > > > > > > This brings up another question, do you place both mirror > drives on > > > the same IDE cable? If you can choose, is there any advantage to > > > giving each drive it's own IDE cable (simultaneous operations and > > > the like)?. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss > > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:01 AM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > If the Highpoint is anything like the Promise RAID > controller, all > > > that you have to do is load the drivers with the first > drive still > > > connected to the original controller, and then reboot. At the > > > reboot, power down the system move the controller cable > to the RAID > > > controller and plug the new drive in also. Just make sure > you know > > > which connector is which. When the system reboots, the > RAID utility > > > runs and allows you to build the mirror. One thing, make > sure that > > > the RAID is set for Security rather than Performance because > > > performance doesn't mirror but stripes. See this link for an > > > explanation of RAID 0 striping, and RAID 1 mirroring. > > > > > > You might want to check out some other vendor than > Newegg, because > > > they recently starting collecting sales tax, or they did in > > > Tennessee. Sales tax and their shipping rates forced me to switch > > > back to www.tcwo.com who's shipping in a flat $6.95 for up to 150 > > > lbs, plus they don't collect Tennessee tax. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. > > > Colby > > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:44 PM > > > To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD > > > Subject: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g > hard drive > > > bit the dust. I replaced it with an old 40g drive I had laying > > > around and a 160g drive. I had intended to just replace > it with a > > > 160g but quickly discovered that Win2K doesn't natively support > > > large hard disks until you get SP3 or better installed > and manually > > > edit the registry. Thus the old 40g to get > > > Windows up, then the 160g set up. That 40g drive failed > > > this week. In > > > both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost. Backups simply > > > aren't the end all and be all in a case like this because of > > > all the programs and individualized settings for each program > > > - the registry etc. > > > > > > What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity was > > > roughly 2-3 days per incident, waaaay more than the delta cost of > > > Raid 1. I have decided not to go through that again. I am now > > > researching a Raid 1 solution (simple mirror) using a > pair of Maxtor > > > 120g drives. This gives me 40g for the system partition > (drive c:) > > > and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev etc. > > > > > > My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to > face) is a > > > Highpoint RocketRaid 133. In order to get back up before the > > > weekend I went down to Staples and plunked down the $ for > a Maxtor > > > 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard disk. My intention at this > point is to > > > order a matching drive and the raid controller from > www.Egghead.com > > > and when I get it, set up the mirror. I have a couple of > questions > > > though for anyone who may have experience in this. > > > > > > 1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed > Win2K Pro, > > > Office and other programs. Once I get the controller, can I just > > > unplug this disk from my motherboard, plug it in to the raid > > > controller, plug the matching drive in, and tell > something to "set > > > up the mirror"? I.e. the new drive gets the exact same > partitions > > > (there are three of > > > them) created, files written, and I'm up and running mirrored? > > > > > > 2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again? > > > > > > 3) Is there anything I need to know? I just want it to work > > > - I am not a > > > (trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO. > > > > > > The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my > installed > > > software and development stuff never again die because a > disk dies. > > > I have found and read a bunch of articles on raid in general but > > > can't find any detailed information on the PROCESS of setting the > > > thing up, and specifically with this controller. I assume the > > > documentation with the controller will tell me most of what I > > > need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will. > > > > > > Any comments or suggestions appreciated. > > > > > > John W. 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