[AccessD] normalization question

StaRKeY starkey at wanadoo.nl
Sun May 16 23:25:08 CDT 2004


I was told so William but had my doubts... so we actually do need to mess
with DNA or any other object property to make ourselves unique... ohwell, it
was nice fantasizing(?) anyway:-)


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: maandag 17 mei 2004 01:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] normalization question


...you're assuming that DNA is globally unique ...its not ...just because
you see infinitesimal odds thrown around doesn't mean that your DNA twin
doesn't live just down the road ...only that its very unlikely.

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


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From: "StaRKeY" <starkey at wanadoo.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] normalization question


> Duh... last but not least, assuming our DNA is globally unique why
> manipulate? (must be bedtime for sure) Instead we'd best use the DNA
barcode
> as a GUHI and add a Name-ID from our HNS kept up-to-date on th internet
(our
> virtual sub-world). Would be interesting...once every single living object
> can be uniquely identified we'd never have to carry around our passport or
> social securitynumber etc.. it would all exist in the new world we created
> as an extra datalayer on top of the physical datalayer of which we
exist:-)
>
> Anyway, Martin is right also since a UI key must always be present and a
> name combination alone will never be unique unless added with a unique
> element.
>
> BN,
> Eric Starkenburg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
> Sent: maandag 17 mei 2004 00:28
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] normalization question
>
>
> Hi, long read no write:-)
>
> Interesting Susan/Martin, ofcourse the combination first/last -name is a
> repeating group since more than one human object can carry the same name
> property. This 'problem' is probably the reason why social security
started
> using unique identifiers/numbers:-) How do we do this in real life on the
> streets? No number is used luckily but we do use unique identifiers
without
> thinking about this since we're so grown into it. The whole human object
is
> taken into account when trying to recognise a 'known' identity but what if
> 99.9% is recognized and this 0.1% not.... we have doubts and need to check
> by either ask this identity direct or find out indirect. Ofcourse the
source
> has to be 100% sure about the statement given otherwise gossip or
> misunderstanding is born:-) Returning to Susan's remark, for database
> efficiency reasons we should probably have one name table containing all
> known name combinations on earth and an autonumber for relational matters
> and one unique idetifying human object table containing a global unique
> identifier and the FK reference to a name combination (since this is a
> repeating group:-)) This would get rid of duplicate names and thus be more
> efficient data management. Makes me think of Assembly versus Visual
Basic:-)
>
> Hihihi getting inspired now... In fact like the use of DNS the internet
has
> for identifying the unique IP addresses we global inhabitants should have
a
> HNS (Human Name System) used the other way around (number = name
combination
> instead of name = ip-address) where name combinations are kept globally so
> we would only have to reference this domain system LOL...
>
> More inspired...by using a unique identifier (read social securitynumber)
> added with a unique country identifier added with the known name
combination
> (at birth registration) we'd have a unique global human identifier:-)
> Assuming the ID of name combination Eric Hans Starkenburg would be
123456789
> my global unique human identifier would be something like this;
> 104501533-NL-123456789
>
> So Susan I agree, one name table should get rid of these ugly duplicate
> values:-)
>
>
> Nighty night folks
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: zondag 16 mei 2004 22:58
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] normalization question
>
>
> You would think so Martin -- and you're most likely right. But, what
if?????
> Even with an AutoNumber value as the primary key, there's no way to
> distinguish one from the other -- you have to depend on the relationships
to
> get it right. In fact, and this is what I'm really getting to -- isn't a
> duplicate name really just a repeated value? I'm bordering on ridiculous
> chaos here I know, but well... it's a Sunday and I'm working, so might as
> well mess with everyone's heads, right? ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
> Why would you have a table with only names?
>
> In my experience there is usually another qualifier? But I am sure someone
> here will come up with an interesting approach to this one.
>
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