[AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a rose;was (norma lization question)

ranthony at wrsystems.com ranthony at wrsystems.com
Mon May 17 09:17:39 CDT 2004


As a life NRA member, I fail to see the relevance of this.  This topic may
be better served elsewhere.  Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a rose;was
(normalization question)

I'm sure this story will bring great cheer to the NRA and everyone else who
believes that your just not a whole person unless you are packing heat -
preferably fully automatic and large caliber.

"Sad" is best spin I can put on it.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Clark [SMTP:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
> Sent:	Monday, May 17, 2004 9:55 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] A Rose by any other name is still a rose;was
> (normalization question)
> 
> My first major Access program that I wrote was for our county's pistol
> permit department, to track pistol permits. I was shocked to discover
> that they tracked these things by name only. I thought I found a major
> problem, when they gave me their original tables and I discovered
> hundreds of missing SSNs. They told me that SSN was not required data. 
> 
> I told them that I had a problem with this, as a programmer and as a
> private citizen. I told them about a personal situation of mine
> involving confusion with names. My name is John W Clark. The name itself
> sounds fake, with all three components being very common. My friends
> used to say that it was a fake name. I first heard of another local guy
> with the same name, including initial, about 14 years ago. I was in a
> bar with a bunch of coworkers, and I was introduced to a guy who was a
> friend of a friend. I don't drink much these days, but thank god that
> when I did, I was a friendly drunk, because after speaking to my new
> friend, I discovered that he thought I was someone else--someone who
> used to beat him up quite a bit in high school, shared the same name as
> me, and apparently also shares some of my physical characteristics. This
> new friend had gone into the service upon graduation and got, according
> to him, quite a bit larger than school days, and he was looking at a
> little payback. He told me, that he thought I was someone else, and that
> he and his brother-in-law, who looked like he had been recently paroled
> from a penitentiary, were going to kick the hell out of me, when I left
> the bar. Luckily though, he did speak to me, and discovered that I was
> not his prey, and all ended well.
> 
> But, a few years later, something potentially much more worse happened.
> I was still living at home with my folks--mostly just sleeping
> there--but I was about 20 miles away at work, when some visitors arrived
> at their house. Two detectives from the sheriffs department, showed up
> at the house with a warrant for my arrest. Actually, they did want John
> W Clark, but they were coming to get the wrong one. Again, this turned
> out OK, but it was taken care of, while I was at work--had I been there,
> they would have sorted it out, at the county jail--probably after
> processing!
> 
> After coming to work for the county, I discovered that I would be doing
> quite a bit of work for the District Attorney's office. I told them all
> my stories so that they wouldn't think it was me, if the name came
> across their desks. As it turns out, they are pretty familiar with this
> guy, and they raz me about it quite often.
> 
> The pistol permit office send a "Mental Hygiene" check to Albany, and
> it is simply a form letter with a name on it. How the hell do they know
> exactly which John W Clark they are sending info on? If there are two in
> this county, how many are in the state? There are several more people
> with the name John Clark in my area without the initial.
> 
> I was also surprised to find out that each county does its own thing. I
> believe there are 62 counties in NY, and they can all have their own
> numbering, methods, etc.. All this organization must be why were paying
> such high taxes here!
> 
> >>> artful at rogers.com 5/17/2004 1:17:26 AM >>>
> As I pointed out in a previous msg on this thread, I know 5 John
> Reids,
> and all of them are in the software biz. Go figure. Them Irish, they
> do
> like to propagate! Check Chicago for example :) (Does anyone else LOVE
> Miller's Crossing? My fave movie of all time.)
> 
> I googled my own name and then ran 411.com (a phone number database)
> and
> found a painter of the same name died early in the last century and no
> less than 20 identical names in Canada alone.
> 
> In short, names alone don't cut it. Add something unique and you have
> a
> chance. Phone numbers are candidates, but it could happen that 2
> Arthur
> Fullers reside at the same address (unlikely I admit, but possible).
> Even SSNs have been demonstrated to be non-unique (counterfeit IDs,
> bad
> coding, identity theft, etc.).
> 
> 
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