[AccessD] The Polyp Problem

Charlotte Foust cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Fri Jan 21 10:04:56 CST 2005


One of the concepts in design in "agile development" is to deliver a
working app at each iteration.  It may not do everything the client
wants, but it does as much as could be achieved within the time/budget
constraints for that iteration.  Maybe this is the best way to handle
polyps.  Give them only as much as they pay for.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] The Polyp Problem


Karen,
I'm sorry to hear that you have run into bad a client. I've been lucky
in that regard. I have a client that has recently had one of their
customers file for bankruptcy. They have thousands of dollars in income
they may never see because of it. They actually had a policy to limit
this customers line of credit but they had been lulled into ignoring
because the customer was paying the bills. Ran up a bunch of bills quick
and then filed, major bummer.

Rocky and David's ideas of warnings and new license code inputs are very
good ideas. You could also add in time delay code so that at each level
the application either started slower and/or ran slower. I experimented
with this idea for awhile. More so because of people "lending" my
software to others than not getting paid by a client. It was simply a
timedelay function that would be called before a form or function was
called to actually perform its real duty. Once the license term was not
met it would display a message similar to David's idea (below) and then
set the timedelay to a higher number. It worked on custom properties and
would be simply to defeat if you knew how to change custom properties
but then if they knew how to do that they wouldn't be buying my apps
anyway. I kind of overwhelmed myself with the various techniques on how
to do this and never did implement it. It was more of a VBA programming
boost for me since I picked the brains of all the gurus here and I got
into classes, etc. yada, yada, yada...
:o)

In the end I decided that I would let them screw themselves by using it
without a license. I hard coded certain information into any output
method - reports, data exports, etc. So essentially they could use it as
long as they like but in the end all of my apps are based on the idea of
easy input for later output. They would either buy a license to get
their output or they would have used it to no purpose. One small app
which collects survey data and is sent in once a year  is what prompted
this idea. The output only came once a year. By the time they get to the
time for output the ability to input the data is gone. I've sold a few
copies to places where I strongly suspect this may have had results.
;o)

Also, and this of course is for future reference, my software license
states that my company owns the software, code and all that and the user
is just purchasing the right to utilize it. My individual contracts for
custom work all state that my company retains all rights to the code and
this right may be purchased via a different contract agreement. I
specifically have my company name listed and avoid any personal
connection for a number of reasons. Company names sound more serious
(impression) and if I ever sell my company I can sell it with all rights
to any previous software and contracts. I don't want any support calls
while I'm on the beach by Rocky or William :o)

I hope all your woes begone!

John B. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] The Polyp Problem

This is what we did with our machines at the company that I used to work
for. A timer was set at ship time counting down from 800 hours. At 200
hrs remaining the user received a warning, then again at 100 and 50
hours. You'd be surprise how quickly they pay when the time has actually
run out.

:)

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Polyp Problem


Karen:

When they pay, send them an updated mde with no date bomb in it.  And
I'd set the date bomb out like 6-12 months.  Let them get thoroughly
hooked on it.  Then, if they've stiffed you, suddenly it quits working.
I usually put some kind of cryptic message in like "Fixed Overflow.
Call Tech Support' followed by my phone number.  Then Application.Quit.

With the key, when the expiration date is within 60 days, upon opening
the app they get a pop up which says 'Your license will expire in xx
days.  Call
for a new key.', but wordier.   And there's a place on the pop up where
they
can enter the new key.  My key is like a Microsoft key - six groups of
four alphanumeric characters.  I encrypt several pieces of information
including serial number.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com
858-259-4334


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicholson, Karen" <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] The Polyp Problem


> That sounds interesting.  But what if they do pay?  I just want to
> torture those clients who think of us as prostitudes to be used when 
> needed, and after they get what they want, and you never hear from 
> them again.  How can I treat those with respect that deserve it?  Does

> this encrypted date require you to keep sending them updated .mde's?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:17 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Polyp Problem
>
>
> Karen:
>
> If you're delivering an mde it's a snap.  Just put a date check in the
> opening form open event and quit the program if the date is past.  I 
> also put a 'date last accessed in a table and check to see if today's 
> date is
>
> less than the date last accessed.  That's so that they don't just move
> the clock back to a date prior to the date bomb.
>
> In my commercial product I have a key with an encrypted expiration
> date which the user has to get updated every so often.  That way I 
> don't have to worry about illegal copies being made.  I can send out 
> an evaluator with a 30 or 60 day expiration.  Bu that's probably more 
> elaborate than you need.
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> 858-259-4334
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicholson, Karen" <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:10 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] The Polyp Problem
>
>
> I know this has been discussed before, but I sort of removed a polyp
> from my client abuser list last night, as a woman has the right to 
> flip out on deadbeats.  That is the law.  Here is the story.  Client 
> contracts for a job; agrees to pay whatever way - some do in stage I, 
> more in stage II and the rest in stage III.  It is clearly stated that

> changes to the requirements of the system will be discussed and 
> additional invoicing will be required.  Polyp continuously *forgets* 
> to pay invoices as that is not is department, makes wild changes to 
> the system - "Oh, didn't I tell you?  Truck A, B or C can not go on 
> streets with a 2 Ton Limit?  You can just program that in, right?"  Or

> emergency call - finger nail bimbo's system won't work and it is the 
> hub.  Your system broke it, we can't function, come over here right 
> now.  Drop everything, run over, and low and behold the cable is 
> unplugged.  Three hours out of your day, gee thanks.  Oh, we can't pay

> you, it has been a bad year.  And that $2000 we still owe you from 
> August?  That is coming soon.  Hello, it is snowing!
>
> In my warped world, I would like to put code in the program that when
> a payment is not received, the system stops working.  When the bill is

> paid, the user can have the encrypted password to keep working.
>
> Doesn't that sound easy?  One final password when the system is paid
> in full.  I know a geek could break into it and get around the 
> password, but these people are cheap to begin with if they won't pay 
> and not work continuing working for anyway.  Ideas?
>
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