[AccessD] VBExpress videos

William Hindman dejpolsys at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 27 20:34:42 CDT 2005


..pretty much the same way you do Kath but I make the changes on my 
development system ...test it on my client simulator system ...and then put 
a new fe on the network for normal update by the runtime systems.

..runtimes won't solve version change problems ...but you can build code 
into your startup to check the current version and load the correct runtime 
if you anticipate version changes ...that's a bit of work and only works 
transparently if MS doesn't throw a monkey wrench into things ...the damn 
"sandbox" in 2003 is a "*(&%$ example of such ...code runs fine in full 
Access but errors all over the place in the runtime ...so far I've just 
disabled it ...the "new" file dialog object is another example of something 
that works fine in full mode and not at all in runtime :(

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBExpress videos


..hhmmm....thinking over the pros and cons.....I am getting very tired of 
clients changing office versions etc etc and having the app crash.

And I am getting very sick of setting refs and finding that some users end 
up with it missing - whoops - crash again. So runtime should solve both 
those issues?

On the other hand, with my main client (using full Access install) I can get 
straight on to their PC online using VNC, make a change to the mdb, recreate 
the mde and post it to the network from where it gets automatically 
downloaded the next time all users open it.

That would be much harder with runtime, wouldn't it? How do you distribute 
upgrades?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBExpress videos


  ..yes ...lessons learned the hard way ...give a client full Access and
  "things" happen ...bad things ..."upgrade" that client to the newest 
version
  of Office Standard (w/runtime) rather than Office Pro and save them a lot 
of
  money ...its amazing how many strange happenings stop happening to your 
apps
  :(

  William

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBExpress videos


  <<how does anyone that actually supports distributed
  Access based apps get by without it? ...that would mean clients having 
full
  Access installs and all the troubles that implies ...I'd rather starve 
first

  William - does this mean that you ony distribute runtime apps?

  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: William Hindman
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:08 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBExpress videos


    ..thanks JC, I'll dl the videos and have a look then ...tap dancing 
around
    VB.net whenever I'm bored with everything else going on ...the VB name 
is
    similar but the ide keeps throwing me for a loop and nothing ports
  cleanly,
    at least for me ...but I admit to getting old :)

    ..as for the VS Tools, how does anyone that actually supports 
distributed
    Access based apps get by without it? ...that would mean clients having
  full
    Access installs and all the troubles that implies ...I'd rather starve
  first
    :(

    William

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
    To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
    <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
    Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:11 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] VBExpress videos


    > William,
    >
    > Apparently Express is a simplified version of the one that comes in 
the
    > Visual Studio.  As for the videos being useful, I think mostly yes. 
The
    > videos are about how to manipulate the various windows, the controls,
  the
    > forms etc.  All that is pretty much just like the version in Visual
    > Studio.
    >
    > My email was aimed at those lost souls (like myself) who either have
  never
    > managed to really "get there" with Visual Studio, or never even
  purchased
    > it
    > because of the expense.  VBExpress is free (for the beta which is very
    > stable) and will be $50 when released at the end of the year.
    >
    > John W. Colby
    > www.ColbyConsulting.com
    >
    > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
    > http://folding.stanford.edu/
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
  Hindman
    > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:57 PM
    > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    > Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBExpress videos
    >
    >
    > JC
    >
    > ..how is this different than the VB.Net that comes with Visual Studio
    > Tools? ...since MS compels me to pay for the standard version of 
VB.net
  in
    > order to get the equivalent of the old ODE, why might I want to go the
    > VBExpress route instead?
    >
    > ..and are the videos of use in the VB.net ide?
    >
    > William
    >
    > ----- Original Message ----- 
    > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
    > To: "VBA" <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD"
    > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
    > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:50 PM
    > Subject: [AccessD] VBExpress videos
    >
    >
    >> In case you haven't found them, there is a beta available for
    >> VBExpress which is really just VB.Net light version, with its own IDE
    >> instead of being embedded in Visual Studio.  The IDE looks and feels
    >> almost identical to the
    >> Visual Studio however.
    >>
    >> http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/beginner/
    >>
    >> Once you download and install the VBExpress notice the videos
    >> available.
    >> I
    >> discovered this guy a couple of years ago but he has now done (some)
    >> videos
    >> for this VBExpress and I am finding them very useful  I think they
  would
    >> allow anyone who frequents this board to get up to speed pretty
  quickly,
    >> and
    >> I have to tell you, VBExpress.net is waaay cool.  The videos will 
show
    >> you
    >> how to do stuff in the user interface (all that I have gotten to so
  far)
    >> that we can only dream of in VBA.
    >>
    >> Check it out - it looks very good to me.  I am working through the
    >> video series right now.
    >>
    >> John W. Colby
    >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
    >>
    >> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
    >> http://folding.stanford.edu/
    >>
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