Arthur Fuller
artful at rogers.com
Sun Jun 26 10:56:50 CDT 2005
Methinks that you are doubly-inviting "trouble" here, Susan! But I love trouble! 1. An increasing number of women (in Canada at least) choose to double-up their surnames in the following fashion (don't know if this is how you derived yours, and no matter): take your "maiden" surname and append to it the name of your spouse. In your case, if applicable, it would imply that your maiden name was Sales and that your spouse's surname was Harkins. 2. An increasing number of hetero married couples in Canada hyphenate their surnames. Which order they choose, and why, I leave to others. 3. My wife's mother, born in Spain, has the surname Castro-Lema and the given name(s) Flora Azucena. This denotes that her father's surname was Castro and her mother's Lema. My wife's name is Samantha Ruskin-Lema, which denotes that her father was named Ruskin and her mother Lema. 4. When we married, Samantha chose to retain her existing surname rather than appending or adopting mine. Which suited me just fine. As I see it, our convention in North America leaves women but two choices -- adopt your father's surname or your husband's -- both inadequate, in my opinion. By preserving her surname, rather than adopting or appending mine, Samantha preserved both sides of her lineage. 5. In this case, the names are hyphenated. In your case, they are not. In the hyphenated case the rule is simple: you sort on the first letter. (Actually it's not so simple, given a name such as de la Vega, which should be sorted under "V" not "D". 6. Let's hear from Shamil or some other lister acquainted with Russian practices. I have read more than a few Russian novels (in translation of course) but so far as I can conclude, if a man's surname is X then his sister's surname is Xa, and conversely. Case in point (c.f. the current Wimbledon tournament): Marat Safin's sister played this year; her surname is Safina. Ok, that ought to constitute a kettle of worms for further cooking! LOL. 7. I notice that you abbreviate your surname(s) to "Harkins" frequently. Given that propensity, I see no harm in regarding "Sales" as a given name, in terms of sort etc. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: June 23, 2005 10:00 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Normalizing issue How do you guys deal with people that use three or more names professionally? I do -- Susan Sales Harkins. Do you store the second name with the first or use three fields? The middle name really isn't a "middle" name. It's actually part of the last name, but the last name is the real last name -- so if you stored it with the last name, you'd have to depend on users to enter it correctly, as in Harkins, Sales -- which is a mistake before you even get started... And how do you write in the flexibility that handles 2 or 3 names? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com