JWColby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Mon Apr 30 16:06:27 CDT 2007
>...heartily recommend vbJumpStart Hey, I already have that book. I guess it's time to read it eh? John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:54 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Everything is an object, JC. You of all people ought to be most receptive to that concept. When migrating code from .NET 2003 to .NET 2005, and it crashed, I just jumped in and added ".ToString()" to the offending variable. It worked almost all the time. E.g. An array is an object not a structure. Easy to get over once you realize it. For those just diving in, my friend and colleague Joe and I both heartily recommend vbJumpStart, which is a very Hands-On, step by step guide that doesn't waste time with 100 inanities that in all likelihood I will never use. In Chapter 3 of vbJumpStart you are already building master-detail-detail forms. That's the sort of thing that appeals to Access developers, I ween. Arthur On 4/30/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote: > > >I see the progress more as a migration process something like a 90 > >degree > turn not as a 180. > > And of course that depends on how much programming you do in VBA. The > more you do, the harder it is in one sense and the easier in another. > It is harder because you already get so much accomplished so quickly > in VBA and can't believe how tough it is to get anything done in > VB.Net (at first anyway). The easier it is in the sense that you are > already an accomplished programmer and "only" have to come up to speed > on the differences. > > If only there weren't so many damned differences!!! I am trying to > take the contents of a text box and place it into a single variable. > Uhh-Uhhhh! In VBA you would get an automatic conversion but in VBA it > (apparently) tries to stuff a control type into a single type and > complains vigorously. Now ya'd think that if there is a > textbox.ToString method there would be a ToSingle method right? > > I'm back to screaming "just do what I WANT, NOT what I SAY!!!". My > computer yells back, and it isn't something I can repeat in public. > > And of course, in X thousands of hours all that will be behind me and > I will type VB.NET code the way I type VBA code now. Forgetting all > the pain (that is the human mind for ya) I will wonder why I didn't > convert years ago. > > In the meantime I have ordered massive quantities of painkillers from > my favorite internet pharmacy using those spam emails I receive so > many of every week. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:51 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? > > Hi All: > > My 2 cents on this is that most if not all developers on the Access > List are working on or/and will be moving towards Dot Net at one > point. I see the progress more as a migration process something like a > 90 degree turn not as a 180. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte > Foust > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:55 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? > > Does it belong in this list? Also, there are differences between VS > 2003 and VS 2005 when it comes to creating typed datasets. > > Charlotte > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > Brock > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:01 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? > > Hi Charlotte > > Yes, that sounds like a learning experience. > > /gustav > > >>> kp at sdsonline.net 30-04-2007 04:31 >>> > Charlotte - any chance of stepping us dot net newbies thru an example > of what you mean? > > Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlotte Foust > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? > > > The chapters on ADO.Net give a good overview of datasets, data > providers and the actual relational objects (tables, views, etc.), and > it also compares ADO.Net and ADO as well. But I haven't seen any > books describing the data tier structures in the way we built them. > Most of the books start with directly binding a form to a data > adapter, and we work the other way around. We build data "entities" > that implement typed datasets and expose the behaviors and methods we > need. We can then drop one of those entities on a form or report to > provide the data connections we need. The working code is actually in > a dataprovider class with the entity containing calls to the > dataprovider and even to other entities if need be. > > Our model has evolved as we developed the apps and figured out what > worked, and we have "refactored" (a much overused work in our shop) > the bits and pieces many times over the course of the past two years. > > Charlotte Foust > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com