[AccessD] Paean to the Access Development Team

Hi Marty:

What steps would be required to accomplish this? Would you have any samples
pieces that might help in creating such an environment?

TIA
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Paean to the Access Development Team

One thing you can do is call VB.Net or C## framework code
 from Access via a COM class wrapper creating a tlb and dll.

Not that difficult if you need to merge the two code bases as some 
things are easier
and quicker to write in dotNet like Web Services and xml reader classes

Some standalone .exe files still required a runtime install with VB6 and 
VB.Net
requires the dotNet Framework installed.


artful at rogers.com wrote:

>In the beginning were Relational Databases -- a valiant attempt by the late
and lamented Dr. Edgar (Ted) Codd. His set-based theories changed the
database world. I wish he had lived 20 more years, so he could address the
new issues. (He did try, late in life, to address the OODB issues, but
didn't survive long enough to complete his arguments.)
>
>Yes, Dr. Codd rationalized the world of databases as viewed from set
theory. But the most important and radical of Dr. Codd's propositions was
that statement X ought to work in implementations Y and Z. 
>
>Vendors and their marketing staff view the world differently. Thus they
foisted upon Dr. Codd's universal language the Language Extension. And the
Language Extensions proliferated, on grounds similar to brand-name crack or
heroin dealers in Manhattan. 
>
>The new mantra: "Adhere to the standards, but toss in a few really
addictive commands that are way cool and extend the language in proprietary
ways."
>
>Dr. Codd's rules were thus undermined by the capitalist system, at every
possible step. "Offer tempting extensions that force or at least coerce
total buy-in." Make it difficult or impossible to port code-X from
implementation Y to implementation Z. To the extent that you buy in, you are
our captive market.
>
>Any reasonable (i.e. non-marketing) person would agree that this approach
totally violates everything Dr. Codd's achievements stood for. As an IBM
Fellow, Dr. Codd was above and beyond the fray of market competition. He
thought only of the big picture. Smaller minds plundered his ideas and the
result is an array of variants upon commands that ought to have been
standard across all implementations.
>
>The ISO SQL projects notwithstanding, virtually every vendor persists in
redefining or extending the language in proprietary ways.  I have a tiny
book published by O'Reilly and written by Jonathan Gennick, which is a
Prince Valiant attempt to sort all this out and provide a Rosetta Stone.
Thank you, Sir Jonathan! You have saved those cross-implementation readers
such as I hundreds or even thousands of hours of investigative time. To be
objective, there are one or two subjects you haven't covered, but you are
the Valiant of the SQL Wars!
>
>I began in dBASE not SQL (and expect that many readers will immediately
slight me for my origins), but even back then the strategic path was the
same. Wayne Ratliff and Jeb Long invented a language based on JPL-DIS. It
was called Vulcan, but after one ad in Byte magazine they discovered that
Harris Computing owned the name. Enter Hal Pollock, a marketing genious. He
suggested the name dBASE II, on the grounds that no one would buy dBASE 1.0.
He also created the legendary "bilge pump" ad. dBASE II took over the CP/M
and then DOS world by storm. A couple of years later, a vastly superior
product called KnowledgeMan came along, but could not compete against
Pollock's brilliant marketing of dBASE II. 
>
>Despite numerous interanl arguments, Ashton-Tate refused to release a
compiler, and committed seppukku. A couple of frustrated, not to mention
opportunity-sensitive, A-T employees, met in a restaurant called Nantucket,
and  to conceive and devise a compiler for dBASE. The result was Clipper,
from Nantucket Software.
>
>I bought into Nantucket big-time (not in shares but in development hours).
I wrote two books about Clipper, and I like to pretend that I helped lead
the way for these folks into O-O programming, but in reality I borrowed
lessons learned from playing with SmallTalk and other O-O languages.
>
>The point is, Brian and Rich and Barry realized that the way to capture the
market is to provide 98% compatibility with dBASE syntax, but also offer
totally addictive extensions, which delivered much more power but also
trapped the developer into Clipper. The Clipper code would not readily port
to FoxPro or dbCompiler and most certainly not into dBASE. So, to the extent
that one bought in to the extensions -- and I bought in, big time, because
they were so powerful -- one excluded porting the code to other variants of
dBASE.
>
>Jump-cut to the SQL world. Oracle releases Java extensions. MS releases
.NET extensions. Sybase struggles to tread water (not a slight on their team
-- they are underfunded and carry the albatross of PowerBuilder
compatibility, etc.) and Borland tries to find a way to fit. Later, Gupta
and Clarion and a dozen others. The market is a vicious place.
>
>The world is not flat, and here is an interesting example. Although I know
nothing about MS internal development and even less about the development
hierarchy, what I can deduce from outside is that the MS-Access team is seen
as a wart, if not a threat, to the marketing of all the .NET stuff. This, in
my view, is most unfortunate. Admittedly, there are things that an Access
expert cannot implement, but that covers the 20% of the people who insist
upon a BMW or better. The "Chevrolet" set would be most pleased to learn
that an Access developer can deliver a functional application for
approximately 1/10 the cost of the equivalent app developed in .NET.
>
>The C# and VB.NET developers don't like to acknowledge this, nor does
Microsoft. But facts are facts. If you need to deliver a shrink-wrapped
package that depends on nothing (a laughable concept in itself, but let's
let that pass), then C# or VB.NET are the languages of choice. But if you
need to deliver something quickly and easily changed in the light of revised
requirements, then I vote Access as the best available platform. There is no
problem in directly connecting it to the SQL Server database of choice.
Granted, an Access developer cannot deliver an executable. This distinction
matters, apparently, to those who would bill you 10 times as much for an
equivalent project.
>
>I cannot understand why Microsoft continues (over the past decade at least)
to slight the achievements possible in Access. This particular newsgroup is
ALL about what can be done in Access. I can cite numerous developers here
who have bolstered my argument, but I will cite only a few and hope those
whose contributions I didn't cite will forgive me): 
>
>Bartow, Brock, Connelly, Carbonell, Colby, Der, Enright, Fields, Foust,
Harkins, Kjos, Hindman, Lacey, Lawrence, Matte, Mattys, McLachlan, Reid,
Salakhetitov, Skolits, Smolin, Tapia, Tejpal, Williamson, Wutka.
>
>I wish all the best to MS-Access development team, and I hope that one or
two or three of said team occasionally visits our group, to learn how much
we appreciate their efforts, and to know that we understand what challenges
they face. All the marketing $ focus on .NET (which is very cool - no slight
on that team intended) but the Access team delivers top-quality stuff in
spite of its underfunding. 
>
>Hats off to the Access development team. Without you, many of us would be
in serious financial trouble. Thanks to you, we can make a living. You give
us the tools and we discover ingenious ways to use them.
>
>My $.02. 
> 
>Arthur Fuller
>Technical Writer, Data Modeler, SQL Sensei
>Artful Databases Organization
>www.artfulsoftware.com
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

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