Charlotte Foust
cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Thu Jul 5 15:04:17 CDT 2007
But there used to be no really good alternative, pre .Net days. Why wouldn't you have used it unbound? Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Performance tips anyone? Charlotte, I side with John on this one. If your going to use Access unbound, you might as well not bother. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:41 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Performance tips anyone? Hey, count me in that group with Drew, John. Access isn't hard to use unbound. You just have to write the same code you would have to write in *any* language to work with unbound objects. The freedom is certainly worth the sacrifice of the bound uh ... "boundaries". Your problem is that it doesn't play nicely with your framework!! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:32 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Performance tips anyone? Drew, >But Access is just as well suited for unbound solutions too. Just as well suited as what? Access is NOT as well suited for unbound as it is for bound. Access just has TONS of features in it directly dependent on bound forms and controls. Unbounders throw all that stuff away; To try and implement that stuff in an unbound solution requires a LOT of custom code. AFAICT most Access "unbounders" make no effort to recreate most of what Access just "gives" us bounders. And Access is certainly NOT as well suited for unbound as VB.Net (or even VB 6), not that I am an expert in .Net yet. But you are talking a whole nother ball game when you talk .Net. So as much as I love ya, I have to disagree with that one. I think you are one of the "been doing Access unbound so long you forgot the pain" folk. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Performance tips anyone? But Access is just as well suited for unbound solutions too. The only exception to that rule is it's goofiness with callback routines. (Can't go into debug if you have a callback routine ANYWHERE. Goes haywire). Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:30 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Performance tips anyone? Jim, >You mentioning this will not cause near the stir as it did 10 years ago as most (all?) have now accepted the reality. ;-) LOL, no not quite. Access is a tool built from the ground up for bound. To even discuss unbound for Access NOW, when much more robust unbound tools are available is ... well... kinda silly. Unless of course you have been doing unbound with Access for the last 10 years in which case you have the expertise to do so. Telling the average Access nubee to use Access unbound is IMHO a disservice to the nubee. He might as well just go learn VB.Net. As for me, if I need unbound it will be in VB.Net, NOT in Access (and I am not an Access nubee). The right tool for the job so to speak. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:13 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Performance tips anyone? Yes, Drew you have hit on the key to performance... 'unbound'. You mentioning this will not cause near the stir as it did 10 years ago as most (all?) have now accepted the reality. ;-) Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com