MartyConnelly
martyconnelly at shaw.ca
Fri Mar 16 12:44:46 CDT 2007
Here is something I got from Allen Browne's Links Access Menu/Toolbar to Ribbon Excel workbook from Microsoft, matching all previous Access menu and toolbar items to ribbon locations. http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=AM101757761033 Also http://allenbrowne.com/Access2007.html#Bugs Note there is reported bug using Access 2007 compression where the mdb disappears intermittently so make a backup first. Charlotte Foust wrote: >You're missing my point entirely because you're focussing on "users" and >the end product. The end product (a database app) is used by users, and >they can have any little ribbons and bows their hearts desire because >that's what they pay for. My job is to make them happy. > >*I'm* griping about the fact that it's hard for a developer to find the >bits and pieces THEY need in the welter of window dressing intended for >end users. Access has always had a split personality because MS always >insisted it was targeted at end users, a direction that most of us in >this list would argue. > >I don't want to create a database using an on-line template, thanks. >And I don't want to have to chase down the tools I need because some >genius decided a Tools menu was too "unfriendly" for end users. There >should be a simple way to switch the environment to "developer" mode and >allow us to get on with our business without having to put up with all >the Mac-lookalike elements in what used to be a great RAD tool and has >now become a video game! > >Charlotte Foust > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >artful at rogers.com >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:06 PM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 > >Wow, Charlotte. I don't want to inject political metaphors unnecessarily >into this discussion, but clearly you and I have radically opposed >development objectives. My objective is all about the user, and I deem >personalization a vital component of sensible software. I want every >single one of my users to be able to customize her menu/ribbon/shortcuts >to suit her personality. I do not want to intrude upon this ability. > >Yes, I want to prevent users from doing something asinine or disastrous, >but if user X prefers the ribbon in this arrangement while user Y >prefers that, I have utterly no beef with that, and try as best I can to >ensure that both users can exert their preferences according to their >needs. To the extent that the UI I provide fails to allow this freedom, >I deem it less than successful. > >My goal is to free the users not to imprison them. It's difficult not to >inject political metaphors into this discussion, so best I shift the >metaphor to child-rearing. I want to educate the users and allow them >freedom, albeit within limits. > >Perhaps this discussion simply concerns the definition of "limits". I do >not profess any expertise in this category. I have tried various >experiments in various projects, such as drifting the >most-frequently-used menu choices to the top of the menu, and so on. At >the end of the day, my maxim is quite simple: "Make the user feel >graceful." Make everything seem simple, intuitive, obvious and flexible. > > >I didn't say this was easy. But it is the goal I choose whenever writing >software. To the extent that a manual is required, the software UI >failed, IMO. Of course, I still provide a manual or at least on-line >help, but to the extent that either is used, I deem my UI a failure. > >Arthur > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:34:12 PM >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 > > >I'm not talking about what users see, Arthur, I'm talking about the pain >it is for a developer to work in it. I purely HATE ribbons, even more >that I hated "personalized" menus in previous versions. All the changes >have been made to wow the end users, and they're thumbing their >collective noses at the developers who still need to build applications >or clean up the messes that "power users" have made. > >I work with the Outlook metaphor in the apps my company develops, so it >isn't unfamiliar, it's just totally annoying that you can't get an easy >bird's eye view of the objects in schema, you have to wade through >ribbons and nav panes and just pain in general. > >We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I BUILD apps in .Net with that >interface, but I don't have to cope with it in the design environment as >well because VS.Net at least is intended for developers. I cringe to >think of what they'll do to in in the next release, though. :-< > >Charlotte Foust > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >artful at rogers.com >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:21 PM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 > >Wow. You and I couldn't possibly be more opposed on this one, Jim. I'm >thinking "Finally!" I totally love what is possible in the new >environment. Clearly it's a personal-taste thing. There is nothing you >cannot do in 2007 that you could do before, so you can continue to do it >the old way if you wish, but I love the new UI. Admittedly it took me a >few experiments to find out how to twist it according to my >predilections, but now that I know, I love it. > >P.S. >About 99% of the users I know measure everything they use by the Outlook >metaphor. That could reflect the subset of people at whose pleasure I >serve, but that's the fact. The sizable pane, the treeview in the left >pane, the auto-loading panel in the right pane... everyone that I know >knows this interface so well that I don't have to explain it. So I just >take an old app and turn the switchboard into a treeview and suddenly >everyone is much happier than they were with the previous roll-out. > >Arthur > > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >Foust >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:43 AM >To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 > >Show of hands please: how many of you are actually using this version? > >I HATE Office 2007 and Access is arguably the worst of the worst. >Outlook seems to be the most sane application in the suite, which isn't >saying much. Friends, we have suffered a Mac attack in this version of >Office. All the things I have always hated about the Mac OS have found >a home in Office 2007. > >Is anyone trying to develop in Access 2007? The Outlook metaphor drives >me nuts! Oh, for a database window! It also seems to have weird >problems with CurrentProject.Connection with linked tables when you try >and convert an earlier format database. Can anyone recommend a good >book on just Access 2007. I know Martin came out with a book, but I >haven't found it yet. > >Charlotte Foust >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada