[AccessD] OT: But only Partly

JWColby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Wed Mar 21 11:39:35 CDT 2007


Yea, not those.  Remember though that these were US Navy machines.  They
might have been custom developed for all I know. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But only Partly

Sure it was 3?  The 2314 I first mentioned had TWO drawers..

http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/roger.broughton/DASD/images/200426.jpg

GK

On 3/21/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Definitely not the ones.  These had 3 drives in drawers, the cabinet 
> was head high and about as long as a couch.  All to contain (3) 80 
> megabyte drives.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But only Partly
>
> Oops, they were actually 2311's. Only 7.25 MB each drive.  Found a 
> picture
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/2311.html
>
> GK
>
> On 3/21/07, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Close John. These were IBM 2314's 29Mb per drive.11 platters, 20 
> > heads. We had four drives but all of our stuff was set up to use 
> > only
> > 3 because one was often broken ;-)  They had a plug thing in the 
> > front as I recall that you could change which was which by changing 
> > the plug from one to another. One drive was for the Operating system 
> > and our programs, the other two had the data files and workspaces 
> > for sorting etc.
> >
> > Wikipedia has a nice description of them here
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage#IBM_2314
> >
> > We got to know our Field Engineers very well. They were there every 
> > week to do preventive maintenance and there were many weeks when 
> > they were there almost every day for something or another. I 
> > remember one time when we had been down for a while and there were 
> > about 4 FE's there working on the drives, our company president came 
> > in and was trying to pressure them to get it fixed faster and asked 
> > "so how long is it going to be down?" and the senior FE replied that 
> > "if we knew what was the matter it would already be fixed" The 
> > president went off in a huff and they had it fixed an hour or so 
> > later and we were off and running. Everybody in the room was happy to
see the president
> > storm off in a rage as we all thought him a blow-hard.   Ah, the good
> > old days. ;-)
> >
> > GK
> >
> > On 3/21/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > >In those days, disks on mainframes were removable from the drives
> > > themselves which were about the size of a washing machine. The 
> > > disk packs were about the diameter of a LP record and the ones we 
> > > used were about 8 inches tall.
> > >
> > > Must have been one of the old IBM hard disk cabinets.  It had 
> > > drawers that you could pull out and then unlock and remove the 
> > > disk packs.  Those were 80 mb packs if memory serves me.  
> > > Something like
> > > 8 platters, heads on each side, hydraulically actuated heads.
> > >
> > > In 1972/73 I was trained by the USN to fix that disk drive system.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > Colby Consulting
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
> > > Kjos
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:37 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But only Partly
> > >
> > > Ouch. We used to do Disaster Recovery Firedrills back in my early 
> > > mainframe days when I was a computer operator. We had an 
> > > arrangement with another local company that had a similar hardware 
> > > configuration to ours that we were backup sites for each other. In 
> > > those days, disks on mainframes were removable from the drives 
> > > themselves which were about the size of a washing machine. The 
> > > disk packs were about the diameter of a LP record and the ones we 
> > > used were about 8 inches
> tall.
> > > We would take our disks or maybe it was just backup tapes over to 
> > > this other company and they would let us use their system over 
> > > night and we would attempt to run our orders and print the picking 
> > > documents. Since the hardware configuration was slightly different 
> > > we had different execution job control that referenced the 
> > > hardware they had there. I was mostly just along to carry stuff in 
> > > the early days but later on I was called on to run the stuff too. 
> > > When fixed hard drives and online terminals came along in about 
> > > 1980 that ceased to be an option anymore as we would have had to 
> > > actually overwrite their files on the disk or they would have 
> > > needed enough empty space for us to load our stuff on and as disk 
> > > was failrly expensive in those days that wasn't a viable option. 
> > > So instead we concentrated on getting better covereage from our 
> > > hardware maintenance group. And we used our backup tapes pretty 
> > > often when stuff got corrupted and had daily, weekly and monthly 
> > > full backups for an entire year of generations, so we were really 
> > > quite secure and fully tested backup wise. Noplace I have worked 
> > > since has had anywhere near that level of backup. But hardware 
> > > failed a lot more then than it does now too, so we get lulled into 
> > > a sense of security
> that drives don't fail. But in this case it wasn't even a drive 
> failure that caused it, it was a human mistake.
> > >
> > > We had an occurance of the "can't read the backups" here a while back.
> > > It was a very bad thing. There had been a change to the backup 
> > > software itself and maybe the hardware too. I don't remember 
> > > exactly what the end result was as far as data loss - don't think 
> > > we lost anything - but we were down for an entire day - no sales
entered.
> > > Order takers had to write orders down on paper to be entered later.
> > > I think our website still took orders as it's seperate but there 
> > > were no confirmations etc. It wasn't a total loss as some of that 
> > > business came to us in the following days, but some of those 
> > > orders went to other sellers instead of us and perhaps some of 
> > > those customers
> went away disgruntled too.
> > >
> > > GK
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