Charlotte Foust
cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Thu May 31 09:59:57 CDT 2007
I think the simple answer is that all of us who are experienced with Office development have grown used to the somewhat standard menus in the various Office apps and find the ribbon downright frustrating and the so-called context-sensitivity infuriating. I particularly resent being coerced into using the darn thing with no choice in the matter. Like you, I've struggled to find the means to do simple things, not just in Access but in Word, for heaven's sake! I suspect they used a focus group of Mac users to decide which things belonged on which ribbon, because I always found the Mac OS just as frustrating, although newbies seem to find it intuitive, too. Maybe we're just getting old, Arthur ... Nah!! ;-> Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBA abandoned in Office 2008 for Mac I wonder how many users are revolting against (revolted by) the Ribbon thing? What I can say is that it took about 15 minutes for me to find the most basic commands in Word. I HATE this ribbon s**t. At the very least, Office ought to recognize the keystrokes we seasoned folk have learned eons ago. For example, Alt+T = Table. Why do I have to fart around and look for these commands, when MS itself has schooled me into thinking this or that keystroke is the way to get there? Apparently, newbies like this ribbon s**t. Great. In a few more months I'll be eligible for retirement and then Kiss This, Bill! I'd rather watch Nadal try to come up with something to beat Fedderer. Earth to MS: Ribbons SUCK! Six months and I'm gone except for hobbyist play. The person who thought of ribbons will surely go down the same flush as the person who thought of the stupid little doggie helper. Sheesh. I feel sorry for that person. Probably just did what he was told, ended up the most despised programmer in the history of Windows. However, perhaps the inventor of ribbons will take his place as the most despised programmer in the history of Windows. I could be quite wrong about this. I have heard more than one newbie say how cool this ribbon thing is. Commands that have been available since God Knows When are now right there on the ribbon. Yeah, great. Meanwhile it took me half an hour to deduce how to insert a row into a table. Why in the name of God is this command on the Format menu? Which particular Redmond Einstein thought to place this command there? What does "Insert a row into a table" have even remotely to do with "Format"? There are clearly lots of brain-dead people in the state of Washington. The one who thought to place that command there, the boss who authorized it, and so on up the chain of command. Perhaps there has been an influx of cocaine or some other mind-altering drug into Redmond. Let us be fair. If anything, I try to be democratic. Let's start with the traditional menu plus all the ribbon stuff. Let's allow the use to suppress either of these. Let's respect, even in the event that you suppress the traditional menu, all those keystrokes (Ctrl+N= New File, Ctrl+S = Save, etc.) So let's call spades spades: Office 2007 sucks. Vista sucks. I have the former installed but shall remove it this weekend. Fortunately I had the foresight to save nothing on O2K7 format, so when I remove it I will still be able to read all the files. I have yet to hear one positive experience from a Vista user. Apparently it's like a cyber-BDSM-place. Lots of handcuffs and zero freedom. Unceremoniously quits should you try anything like backing up a DVD movie. As for me, I have had quite enough of this s**t from Redmond. I'm out of the MS loop. Open Office and Google Apps do most everything I need. Open Office's Base is pretty close to Access, though not quite there. Ubuntu is way nicer than Vista, and it runs on some of my admittedly lame hardware. Earth to Redmond: you are running out of reasons for us to stick around. A. On 5/30/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote: > > Boy will there be a BUNCH of companies not upgrading beyond that! How > many > apps are out there coded in vba? > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:16 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] VBA abandoned in Office 2008 for Mac > > > The first shoe has dropped: Microsoft has abandoned VBA in its latest > Office suite for the Macintosh: > > Mac Users Face Hurdles with New Office Versions > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2138349,00.asp?kc=EWKNLINF053007S > TR4 > > Although there is a converter tool for older Office documents, with > promises for VBA support in the future, Mac developers are encouraged > to use Applescript instead. > > Access developers have to at least consider the possibility that > Office > 2007 will be the last version of Office that will natively run VBA. > > -Ken > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com