Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Wed Oct 24 23:21:13 CDT 2007
Well, everybody has only their personal experience. So everybody sees it differently. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007 Hi Rocky, My son Doug said that the smoke was a real factor. I don't think he has a problem, either, with leaving the house until it is safe to come back. My response to Greg took his information at face value. I am not on the scene and cannot judge. From what you and John Colby have since explained, I agree that the measures taken are rational. I want all of you, my friends and my family, to be safe and to get through this very scary fire. Kindest regards, Tina Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > I don't find that the information is wild or irrational. There's no > panic here. I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and > weeks about how orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how > the shelters were set up and run efficiently, and although there were > some problems in fighting the fires, how could there not be, overall I > think the operation will be judged very successful. > > I personally had no problem leaving when the order came. I couldn't > go outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the > street for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a > fire racing towards Del Mar. If you look at a map of the fire burn area > you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is. It can turn > in a minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by > the fire itself. Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent. > > I know lots of people who were evacuated. Haven't heard a single > complaint yet. And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information. > > There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong > - makes for good press. By these reports everyone will be judged to > be a bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool. You'll just have to > read up on it and judge for yourself. > > What was your son's experience with the information and his evacuation? > > And how long can we get away with this thread before the moderators > pinch us? > > Rocky > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:12 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007 > > Hi Rocky and Greg, > My son also lives out there. He and his family were evacuated from La > Mesa and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, > which is right near the ocean. I am glad for my son's family's safety and for yours. > I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed disinformation that Greg > refers to being spread and causing panic. Is there anything we can do > to help promote rational thinking? > Kindest regards, > Tina > > Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > >> What part of town do you live in? >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg >> Worthey >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007 >> >> I live in san diego. >> >> Facts on the So Cal fires: >> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. >> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard >> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday) >> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated >> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This >> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes. >> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires >> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly >> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here: >> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google >> earth) >> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and >> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in >> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help) >> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on >> Malibu, tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, >> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing >> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago. >> >> >> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out >> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires >> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy >> for wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and >> underreaction) re people. The news picks the most impressive clips >> (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno), rather than the >> prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image over and >> over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at all. >> >> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while >> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person >> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the >> spot, before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of >> course, but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and >> a quick garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later >> can only try to calm the all-consuming inferno). >> >> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience >> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, >> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos >> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to >> prevent spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses). >> >> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail >> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security. >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: >> 10/22/2007 >> 7:57 PM >> >> >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: > 10/22/2007 > 7:57 PM > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com No virus found in this incoming message. 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