Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at users.mns.ru
Sat Sep 1 00:53:48 CDT 2007
Charlotte, I think that MS is both market- and software-usability-features- driven. And ribbon is also probably a "baby of these two parents" and which of these parents has more chromosomes in this baby is an open question for me :) I'm just telling from my recent experience: I was also skeptical/hesitant (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/hesitant) with MS Access 2007 - then as I've written here recently I was a kind of forced to use MS Access 2007 to solve very urgent and rather advanced task - that was database model design for the system to be in production 24x7x365 in a few days (and non-stop in the future when inevitable design changes will have to be introduced IOW I needed to "foresee" these future changes to minimize future upgrade troubles), design of queries etc. and all that has had to be checked against MS SQL 2005, upsized, polished and put into production - there was no VBA programming, which I usually do without that much efforts and which we I think will agree didn't change that much in MS Access 2007. And what is more all that happened with me in another country, when I was out of my usual working and living environment etc. etc. You have got the picture how one could feel them in the context as I described briefly above - a context in which I was put tete-a-tete with MS Access 2007, which I was so skeptical, hesitant and untrained to use? And, as I have written recently here, in a few hours I started to see that MS Access is really more useful/effective for advanced design work than MS Access 2003 IOW MS Access 2007 is not a power-toy for power-users but a real development tool... VBA is getting depreciated, hopefully MS will introduce VB.NET/C# programming from within/integrated with MS Access IDE in the coming versions of MS Access... Until then... Happy VB.NET 2005(2008)/C# 2.0(3.0) programming and happy using MS Access 2007 as a real powerful database design/querying/database-driven prototyping tool and MS Access 2007/VBA as an advanced tool to develop small-/middle-businesses advanced applications, which do not need to be largely scaled in the future. And MS Access 20007(+Office 2007) + SharePoint +... to develop distributed applications for any kind/size of businesses... Have nice weekend! -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:52 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] What problems converting A2K3 mdb to A2K7? Shamil, You have much more faith in market-driven (as opposed to MARKETING!-driven) design that I have. I seriously doubt that the ribbon, which didn't exist before, was market-driven. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:36 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] What problems converting A2K3 mdb to A2K7? John, I will try to check at the end of the next week when urgent work will hopefully be finished here: - I'd think that MS Access 2007 built-in MDI tabbing feature should be very suitable for your multi-tab designs - you will have to "just" disintegrate your multi-tab forms... - I'd also think (and Martin can approve./disapprove) that ribbon can be made hidden/substituted with custom "thin" ribbons a la' good old commandbars... - and I suppose that MS Access 2007 free runtime, which (I expect) should be not a big issue to install on fresh PCs can help you to smoothly solve the third part of your "puzzle" - I mean supply your customers/users with an interface you develop for them and nothing else "extra" on top of that... Access 2007 is what is called progress comparing with MS Access 2003, isn't it? :) I'd suppose MS staff spent countless (and usually well paid hours) before they made and implemented new MS Office 2007 interface solution... And AFAIK MS has a lot of corporate customers and they (MS stuff) do communicate closely with these customers and they do react on their demands - so my simple guess is that ribbon was requested by their customers first of all because it's very useful in there everyday work... Not arguing, just supposing/proposing that "fighting/neglecting" MS-driven progress "bulldozer" could be an expensive endeavor... :) -- Shamil -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com