William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Fri Apr 25 09:07:34 CDT 2008
...CCS = Code Charge Studio. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:58 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants) > ...I didn't try nor Iron Speed, nor CCS (what is that BTW?), nor > NHibernate > - I have written my own multi-layer ORM/templating tool in parallel with > actual real life ASP.NET development. Of course I couldn't recommend such > a > practice to others because one has to be able to keep incredibly high > pressure to overcome such endeavors/adventures... > > ...the reason to not use third-party tools was similar to yours, William - > I > didn't have time to learn one or other third-party tool, and I didn't want > to get "spoiled" by them (and I have rich experience in writing all kinds > of > code generators/translators/interpreters therefore writing custom ORM > layer > code generator wasn't a big challenge (except strict time limits))... > > ...in the future I plan to substitute as much my custom ORM generated code > as possible by using LINQ for SQL if LINQ for SQL will prove to be good > for > that substitution - if not I will keep developing using custom ORM: it > works > well and I can control and tune every bit of my code... > > ...yes, AccessD is a group of professional very experienced developers who > I > think can effectively solve any business application development task, and > answer any question in this area... > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:08 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants) > > ...I tried both Iron Speed and CCS as code generators and wound up > throwing > them out in favor of coding it myself ...just too many compromises and > restrictions for me ...I wasn't willing to settle for what they put out > and > thus spent as much or more time customizing their code than if I'd just > done > > it myself ...the real productivity tool for me was finding some really > good > net resources and then building my own code library ...once that was in > place, I could really start using the huge variety of tools in the .net > framework where a simple one liner can bring a lot more results than you > could ever dream of in Access. > > ...I will make one comment though ...I knew AccessD was invaluable to me > in > learning and working with Access ...but it wasn't until I got into asp.net > and c# and found no similar resource community that I realized just how > valuable it truly was and remains even now ...don't know why that is but > I've looked all over the net for more than a year now and just not found > the > > equivalent ...not even close. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:30 AM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants) > >> Hi Doug, >> >> It's nearly as RAD as using MS Access - sometimes (much) quicker >> sometimes >> slower, but if one starts from zero level coming from VBA world then >> rather >> long learning curve should be taken into account... >> >> Using native ASP.NET controls in web apps development didn't create any >> problems here with users working in IE7 (and IE6), FF, even Safari... >> >> To make simple ASP.NET application with just several (or even many) data >> entry/edit/retrieval forms is relatively easy task but making the same >> application ready to go scaled to enterprise level is a very different >> task, >> which will take much more efforts, still with good experience in ASP.NET >> even enterprise level development could be as RAD as usual MS Access >> development... >> >> Consider using one or another third-party (or hand-made) code generators >> and >> ORM frameworks: the LINQ for SQL, which MS targets to this ORM role >> haven't >> yet got proven to be the best ORM framework/tool (but I must say I could >> have missed latest news/articles/books on this 'LINQ for SQL as ORM >> framework' subject)... >> >> -- >> Shamil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:02 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants) >> >> Does anyone have a rough idea of how long it takes to code a Web app >> versus >> a comparable Access database? >> >> Doug Steele >> >> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > ...otoh, I can't say enough good things about Visual Studio 8 and .net >>> > ...MS >>> > hit a home run there imnsho ...I'm moving clients into browser based >> apps >>> > as >>> > fast as I can write the code. >>> >>> =========The link I posted yesterday is about that very subject, only >>> specific to Access database applications. >>> >>> Susan H. >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >