William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Tue Apr 29 17:38:37 CDT 2008
...I know a number of never-will-be clients who think I should work for dog food ...I read their names in the bankruptcy filing notices all the time. ...good clients are more than willing to pay well for value received ...and keep the work flowing. ...bad clients don't want to pay for anything ...the only way they get their value is by cheating you out of yours. ...I have no problem quoting my rates and providing hard references ...the only way I cut rates is if a client prepays for a block of hours ...which most do ...solves a lot of billing problems, it does and I get paid the same day as the pre-pay invoice or the rate goes back to full until I do. ...only have to remind them once ...makes for a very good relationship, it does. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward S Zuris" <edzedz at comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:14 PM To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: [AccessD] Sorry for joking around > > Sorry for joking around. Things are getting grim. > > I know a client who thinks $15 an hour is too much. > > Before this is over, we'll be working for table scraps. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edward S Zuris [mailto:edzedz at comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:02 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? > > You can fudge that with the F color factor. > > Is there a color for (2^16)-1 ? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:00 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? > > > I think that is a good estimate. > > ;-) > > But you forgot to factor in intellectual and emotional age. Or was that > intentional? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Mark A Matte wrote: >> With all the different feedback...and formulas I found...and gas >> prices... >> >> Avg Age on AccessD=A >> My age =B >> Moon phase= C >> Years Experience=E >> that weird 9 tenths gas thing= 9/10 >> windows value for favorite color=F >> (F/((A-B)*(C+E)))+9/10=$104.99 9/10 >> >> We'll go with travel expenses + $104.99 9/10 per hour????? >> >> >> >> >>> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com >>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:30:19 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? >>> >>> ...lol ...its funny that something I wrote so long ago remains > immediately >>> identifiable here ...JC and pks are a legend unto themselves :) >>> >>> William >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "jwcolby" >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:19 PM >>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? >>> >>>> multi-field primary? >>>> >>>> Is someone using a multi-field primary? Let me at 'em. >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark A Matte wrote: >>>>> Excelent article. I think my favorite part was: >>>>> >>>>> "will go flat broke and be looking for a salaried position sooner than >>>>> John Colby can jump on a multi-field primary." >>>>> >>>>> Seriously though...The pricing was in line with what I was hearing >>>>> 'through the grapevine" >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> mark >>>>> >>>>>> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com >>>>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:11:54 -0400 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? >>>>>> >>>>>> ...97 to xp is just minor grunt work if the original coder actually > did >>>>>> his >>>>>> job. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...but if the "97" code is really A2 code running under the 3.5 > library >>>>>> then >>>>>> you can have a nightmare on your hands ...it all depends on the > original >>>>>> coder, how much Access Basic used versus API calls, and how well >>>>>> commented >>>>>> it is/was. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...my practice is to give them a firm fixed price quote to assess the >>>>>> existing code and produce a proprietary report on what is actually >>>>>> needed >>>>>> ...then go from there once you have something real to deal with ...if >>>>>> you >>>>>> have the FMS diagnostics suite, this is usually something you can do > in >>>>>> a >>>>>> few hours, produce reams of report paper on, and impress the hell out > of >>>>>> them without actually killing yourself ...if you don't have the FMS >>>>>> Suite, >>>>>> good luck ...whatever you do don't give them a price without knowing >>>>>> exactly >>>>>> what you're taking on ...and make sure that the conversion project is >>>>>> extremely well defined in terms of additional reports, functionality, >>>>>> etc >>>>>> ...and that you have a firm understanding that any and all >>>>>> changes/additions >>>>>> past your original proposal are at additional cost. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...as to hourly rate, there's an article I wrote on the subject for > the >>>>>> first dba newsletter which is still posted on the website ...nothing > has >>>>>> really changed ...if you run the numbers your rate question should >>>>>> answer >>>>>> itself ...don't sell yourself short ...its better to starve in a > rocking >>>>>> chair than to starve while producing code you sold short ...imnsho of >>>>>> course. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...hth :) >>>>>> >>>>>> William >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Mark A Matte" >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:17 AM >>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Migrate 2.0 and A97 to XP: Advice and Cost??? >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A small company needs to have some Access DBs upgraded from Access > 2.0 >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> A97 to XP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They want to provide airfare and hotel...and pay hourly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The project will involve upgrading, some system functionality >>>>>>> modifications, and some new reports. Some of their current >>>>>>> functionality >>>>>>> is "broken" (all the detail they had). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any suggestions to the approach, things to look out for in the >>>>>>> migration, >>>>>>> or any advice? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, what would be considered a fair hourly rate? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark A. Matte >>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> In a rush? 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