Robert
robert at servicexp.com
Thu Jan 10 07:03:02 CST 2008
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A little stressed John? Man you need to chill out... WBR ~Robert jwcolby wrote: > Steve, > > So tell me how you permanently disable them so they never appear when the > application starts? I have menus built in to my applications. Simple, one > thin line at the top of the screen. How do I get the ribbon bar to go away > (never ever show) and the menu to appear? > > I have found no way to do that, except to pay $20 / machine to a third party > to buy some aftermarket tool that does what? > > You say it can be done but you are not saying how. > > It is not really about "seeing advantages" to the ribbon, it is "seeing the > value" that they provide in an 800 x 600 environment when my forms take up > the whole screen and my clients don't want to upgrade every machine with a > new $200 monitor in order to have a ribbon that the user does not need. > > We are not discussing Word or Excel here. I could give a rats patuty about > the ribbon bar in those applications. If users like the ribbon bar fine, > great, wonderful, have at it. > > I am talking about the client's DATABASE application, which they often spent > hundreds of thousands to get designed exactly as they specified. It is > designed expressly to channel the user. It opens and displays a specific > set of options that they are allowed to have. When they click a button a > specific form opens (taking up the whole screen) and allows them to do a > specific thing. What is it that the ribbon provides that is so damned > important that it has to be there? It hasn't been there for the last five > years and the user does their job without it. The user is expressly > prohibited - BY MY CLIENT!!! from doing things they are not supposed to be > doing. > > That is the thing I think that you and Microsoft don't get. The ribbon is > about allowing power users to design their own database to do specific > things and "play" with their own data. My applications are the COMPANIES > data. My users are the COMPANIES employees, doing the COMPANIES job in a > very clear and concise manner. It is a very very VERY complex application > with 200 tables, more than a hundred forms, dozens of reports, methods to > import data out of attachments to emails, ways to mail merge and produce > documents that can be printed, stored is specific locations on the server > and attached to emails sent to people. This is NOT about the vice president > of marketing "designing his own". > > My users have to input data in a specific order to get parent records in > place in order to get child records put in place in order to get... down 6 > or seven levels. We have users with very specific jobs that see only this > part of the application and are not allowed to see another part of the > application. There are data input people that ONLY input new claims, there > are call center employees that ONLY take phone calls and talk to claimants, > there are accounting people who ONLY enter expenses and balance things. > NONE of them need the ribbon bar! They need to do exactly what they are > told and NOT be allowed to do anything that they are not supposed to be > doing! I have a complex security system in place to expressly PREVENT them > from doing what they are not supposed to be doing! > > Now, if I were to design this same application in VB.Net would we still be > having this discussion? I would design my application, there would be no > ribbon bar and there would be no discussion about why my users should have > or not have the ribbon bar. It would not be there, it would NEVER be there, > and MS nor you would be trying to convince my client that they needed to > spend tens of thousands of dollars to upgrade their monitors to have room > for a ribbon bar that they expressly do NOT WANT to be there. > > Why does Access try to shove the ribbon bar down my throat. Access is a > TOOL to get a job done, a job which I have been getting done since the mid > 90s in a manner dictated to me by my clients. For MS to suddenly turn on a > ribbon bar and say "too bad, LIKE IT!" is the height of HUBRIS. > > So, when I go Google "turn off ribbon bar permanently" I found "can't be > done" and "third party applications to do this". How do I turn them off > programmatically such that my applications function as they always did? > Tell me this and ONE objection to Access 2007 goes away and I will quit > harping on it. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:02 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 > > John, > > Regarding: >> ... Throw in a ribbon bar that cannot be disabled > > ... and: >> I have not found a satisfactory solution that allows me to turn off >> the ribbon bars. > > John, I have no idea where you got this impression, and I have not seen this > objection stated elsewhere. However, the fact is that there is no reason to > have a Ribbon, either the default ones or your own custom ones, on your > application if your don't want to. There are a number of ways to control > this. > > If, on the other hand, you do eventually see some benenfit in this > interface, and build ribbons into your applications, the users can easily > collapse them when not actively using them, with a simple mouse click or > keyboard shortcut. > > Regards > Steve > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhheG72dSYCwH8FQRAtTqAJ9zxrXNJhuCTXAW9PMhjHUnpHed3QCeL1BL yAX6NbOfo8dDp2GMli2h/m4= =psq4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----