Robert
robert at servicexp.com
Thu Jan 10 08:03:58 CST 2008
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So John, did you press it? .. :-) WBR ~Robert jwcolby wrote: > LOL, No I don't need to chill out, I need someone to tell me how to get rid > of the damned ribbon bar or stop telling me how great Office 2007 is (when I > can't turn it off). > >> John, I have no idea where you got this impression, and I have not >> seen this objection stated elsewhere. However, the fact is that there >> is no reason to have a Ribbon, either the default ones or your own >> custom ones, on your application if your don't want to. There are a >> number of ways to control this. > > And those ways would be....???? > >> And I have seen this objection stated elsewhere. > > Read this (I just stumbled across) and found amusing. > > http://www.musicalnerdery.com/nerdery/unequivocal-undeniable-irrefutable-pro > of-that-the-new-office-2007-interface-sucks.html > > and this > > http://www.musicalnerdery.com/nerdery/corporate-hq-saves-the-day.html > > <SMILE when you say that!> ;-) > > And don't rant on me about how it DOESN'T suck, I am not saying it does (or > doesn't), I truly don't have an opinion because I don't use it yet. I am > just saying I want it gone from my applications. > > So there ya go, and now I can "chill out". > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:03 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A little stressed John? Man you need to chill out... > > WBR > ~Robert > > jwcolby wrote: >> Steve, >> >> So tell me how you permanently disable them so they never appear when >> the application starts? I have menus built in to my applications. >> Simple, one thin line at the top of the screen. How do I get the >> ribbon bar to go away (never ever show) and the menu to appear? >> >> I have found no way to do that, except to pay $20 / machine to a third >> party to buy some aftermarket tool that does what? >> >> You say it can be done but you are not saying how. >> >> It is not really about "seeing advantages" to the ribbon, it is >> "seeing the value" that they provide in an 800 x 600 environment when >> my forms take up the whole screen and my clients don't want to upgrade >> every machine with a new $200 monitor in order to have a ribbon that the > user does not need. >> We are not discussing Word or Excel here. I could give a rats patuty >> about the ribbon bar in those applications. If users like the ribbon >> bar fine, great, wonderful, have at it. >> >> I am talking about the client's DATABASE application, which they often >> spent hundreds of thousands to get designed exactly as they specified. >> It is designed expressly to channel the user. It opens and displays a >> specific set of options that they are allowed to have. When they >> click a button a specific form opens (taking up the whole screen) and >> allows them to do a specific thing. What is it that the ribbon >> provides that is so damned important that it has to be there? It >> hasn't been there for the last five years and the user does their job >> without it. The user is expressly prohibited - BY MY CLIENT!!! from >> doing things they are not supposed to be doing. >> >> That is the thing I think that you and Microsoft don't get. The >> ribbon is about allowing power users to design their own database to >> do specific things and "play" with their own data. My applications >> are the COMPANIES data. My users are the COMPANIES employees, doing >> the COMPANIES job in a very clear and concise manner. It is a very >> very VERY complex application with 200 tables, more than a hundred >> forms, dozens of reports, methods to import data out of attachments to >> emails, ways to mail merge and produce documents that can be printed, >> stored is specific locations on the server and attached to emails sent >> to people. This is NOT about the vice president of marketing "designing > his own". >> My users have to input data in a specific order to get parent records >> in place in order to get child records put in place in order to get... >> down 6 or seven levels. We have users with very specific jobs that >> see only this part of the application and are not allowed to see >> another part of the application. There are data input people that >> ONLY input new claims, there are call center employees that ONLY take >> phone calls and talk to claimants, there are accounting people who ONLY > enter expenses and balance things. >> NONE of them need the ribbon bar! They need to do exactly what they >> are told and NOT be allowed to do anything that they are not supposed >> to be doing! I have a complex security system in place to expressly >> PREVENT them from doing what they are not supposed to be doing! >> >> Now, if I were to design this same application in VB.Net would we >> still be having this discussion? I would design my application, there >> would be no ribbon bar and there would be no discussion about why my >> users should have or not have the ribbon bar. It would not be there, >> it would NEVER be there, and MS nor you would be trying to convince my >> client that they needed to spend tens of thousands of dollars to >> upgrade their monitors to have room for a ribbon bar that they expressly > do NOT WANT to be there. >> Why does Access try to shove the ribbon bar down my throat. Access is >> a TOOL to get a job done, a job which I have been getting done since >> the mid 90s in a manner dictated to me by my clients. For MS to >> suddenly turn on a ribbon bar and say "too bad, LIKE IT!" is the height of > HUBRIS. >> So, when I go Google "turn off ribbon bar permanently" I found "can't >> be done" and "third party applications to do this". How do I turn >> them off programmatically such that my applications function as they > always did? >> Tell me this and ONE objection to Access 2007 goes away and I will >> quit harping on it. >> >> John W. Colby >> Colby Consulting >> www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhiXO72dSYCwH8FQRAmd+AJ45hClFLYdcUXVPIO7VsfGRx5WSoACfWy9p FnIOkBGk+BzcV7wb/ObANgo= =hZk/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----