Robert
robert at servicexp.com
Thu Jan 10 08:45:51 CST 2008
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ..Having installed (on a Pent 4 2.8ghz, 1.5 gigs of ram) the Vista Biz version, and promptly (2 months) removing it, for me option 3 is the winner.... :-( I do think with a new dual core system, it maybe something to take another gander at, but then again I would have to buy 2 new printers, and scanner.. :-( WBR ~Robert jwcolby wrote: > Well, you might have convinced me. I might try doing a dual boot to see > what Vista does for me. On the other hand... that would mean reinstalling > my lifeblood applications. I guess not. > > OTOH, with Windows Home Server I can simply back up my laptop machine, do an > install over the top of my existing system and pray. If it doesn't work > then I can use the WHS to get back to XP. > > Or I can go to work and forget the whole thing. > > ;-) > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:26 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 > > Hi John, Shamil et al > > John is right, clients are very conservative and only invest money for a > reason. However, I have to back up Shamil - Vista is so much better designed > that for pure design reasons it is a pleasure to work with. I truly dislike > the Fisher-Price default look of Windows XP and have had to switch to the > "Classic Look" to relax. With Vista, MS has removed the advantage Apple had > of a better and nicer looking UI. There are issues, of course, but I'm > confident they will be solved. > > I haven't done any comparing speed tests with dual core machines but > Shamil's results look promising. And wouldn't it be strange otherwise? Why > shouldn't MS developers try hard to improve and optimize the core? > I've just had a new Lenovo dual core for Vista with 4 GB ram and a high-end > graphic card. It rocks - my techie colleague was amazed - and it again > stresses what I've written several times: don't waste time on upgrading old > hardware, buy new hardware for a new OS, these days the cost of ram is so > low that I can hardly believe it. > > When I read this discussion I couldn't help making a comparison to a test > drive I took last week of the Toyota Prius, a hybrid car you may know. It > struck me, leaving the car at the dealer, that from that moment all other > "normal" cars appear totally outdated. This is scaring as the Prius is not a > brand new model and it makes you wonder what other car manufactures are > doing and why and how Toyota can be three years ahead of the competition. > Well, they just produce cars that people expect - no surprises - while the > Prius (and the high-end Lexus sedan, of course) exceeds your expectations. > Maybe that is the situation for Vista, it is positioned beyond the current > expectations of the general user to a OS. > > That said, we still advice clients to carefully consider if a move to Vista > is advantageous (as said, it _will_ require new hardware). On the other > hand, I clearly remember we gave the same advice when Windows was at 3.11 > and Windows 95 was introduced .. and again when Windows NT (which also for > all practical purposes did require new hardware) was introduced ... > > /gustav > >>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 10-01-2008 00:48 >>> > John, > > I'm just trying to get developed my strong positive worldview on this > imperfect world - the more I will complain about the world around me the > more imperfect it will become... > > ...so I'd better keep hunting for the good things than complain :)... > > ...yes, new technologies need quite some investments both into hardware and > development tools and development methodologies but the final result is > rather impressive and economically (and environmentally) effective, despite > the fact that being in database-centered software development for the last > almost 30 years I can't say there are many new ideas but the level of the > nowadays hardware and software technologies allows to do literally in hours > and days what needed months and years to be developed in not that far ago > past... > > -- > Shamil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:58 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 > > Shamil, > > The following are just a couple of interesting things I found on the > subject. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=357 > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=349 > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=352 > > > My perception is simply what I see from my own clients. I only work (so > far) with companies having anywhere from 1 to 60 or so employees. These > companies do not upgrade just to drive the latest and greatest. If a > machine functions for it's given purpose, they may very well keep it for 8 > years more. I have to PUSH these clients to buy more powerful machines and > I only do so when they need them. > > There is nothing right or wrong about this, it is just a fact. I had a > client that just retired (about a year ago) their last Windows 98 machine > running Celerons and 500 megs of main memory. They only did so because the > database had grown to the point where I could demonstrate UNDENIABLY that > the machine itself was causing them lost productivity as they waited for the > claim form to open. They went to dell and bought way powerful, way cheap > low end machines with Windows XP Pro. these machines will likely suffice > for another 6 years or so. > > This seems to be the trend in SMALL companies. It might very well be > different with the IBMs and such large companies. Even there though there > are compatibility issues that will be weighed. Small companies "just leap" > when they are ready to buy. They tend to not think much about "will my > application(s) run under...". I have to be on top of things like the ribbon > bar fiasco and warn them that they will have a problem if they go there. > > At any rate, I am a small business and I am much more careful about what I > do than most. I do not do anything that will cost me three weeks of > inability to do my work because I will starve to death if I lose three works > work. As an example, take the move to Office 2007. I cannot "just switch" > because I have to do 8 hours or more of paying work every day. The ribbon > bar and all that crap would cause me untold lost billing time. If and when > I do it I will do so on a virtual machine. I will use it for email, for > writing docs, for playing with my few spreadsheets, and I will PLAY with > Access 2007 to become familiar with it. Slowly, I will come up to speed, > and slowly I will switch to using it (assuming my clients do of course). > >>> I like its graphics... :) >>> I like the feature of 3d view of windows of currently running apps... > > To be honest I turn off all the "eye candy" just because it annoys me and > slows down my machine. Vista is very much about eye candy. I just don't > care about it, not that it is wrong if you like it, I just don't. > > I like new things, but I cannot afford to just leap without thinking about > my income, which will suffer if I can't do my work and my clients get > irritated with me. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil > Salakhetdinov > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:35 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 > > <<< > LOL, well there must be something wrong since the whole world is not buying > in. > Russia is a Wonderland you know :) (Just kidding...) > > <<< > Vista just has a reputation of creating a ton of problems, many of them in > the Digital Rights world, > Well, I do use software from official MSDN and it works well... > The issue of not being able to read DVDs with the copies of my files I made > on my desktop is solved here with using FAR manager - it does read these > DVDs well under Vista... > > The issues with making setups of custom software for Vista e.g. by using > INNO-Setup are getting solved "automagically" by INNO-setup creating proper > manifest files... > > <<< > many more in performance. > In fact under Vista on the same Dual Core Pentium my software runs faster > than under W2k3... > > <<< > You do, so tell us, > what does Vista do for you that is the "killer app" that makes you think it > rocks? > I like its graphics... :) > I like the feature of 3d view of windows of currently running apps... > As I wrote above under vista everything I use usually runs faster on the > same dual core processor... :) I just like it because as far as I see it's a > very good professional work of MS engineers - I just like it... > > <<< > Why would my business users (clients) pay tens of thousands of dollars to > upgrade every machine in the house? > That's a rock stable OS for the next 5-10 years therefore investments should > pay back during this period in time... Why your customers buy new cars, > factories, houses?... > > I'm not "preaching" for Vista - I just like it :) > > If you and your customer do not like it and do not see how its purchase and > installation can pay back and bring good profits - do not use it :) > > Again, I just like it as great modern mature OS software... > > I like it by heart and eyes, and I neglect all the other issues :) > > That's it I can tell about it. > > John, sorry for my being so short in my words, and not-informative, and > probably not-convincing for you and your customers... > > You can try to avoid using this "MS-bulldozer"... > > I'd better drive it/ride on it :) > > Thanks... > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhi+f72dSYCwH8FQRAikwAJ9NVw1NUNESr4MYf0HTetpt2P5lbwCfZqlR ZfKojIgts8oNw0c5GY+J/9A= =szmz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----