[AccessD] Old Dog - New Tricks

Bob Heygood bheygood at abestsystems.com
Sun Jan 27 14:06:28 CST 2008


I would like to thank all who have responded to this thread as I may decide
to leave the safety/security/comfort factor of Access development. 

Just wish I had the crystal ball to see where all these new technologies are
headed and which will be supported and accepted.

If forced right now, ASP.NET looks like my choice. Tho, one of our local
user group members maintains that anything .net is a mess.....

Then there is the matter of how long my wrists will hold up....


And thanks to Rocky for bringing it up.

Bob Heygood


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old Dog - New Tricks

Hi Rocky,

ASP.NET is one of .NET Framework technologies.
It has special HTML-based mark-up language to define Web forms.
To write code processing webforms' events both VB.NET and C# can be used
within ASP.NET webform's mark-up or as a separate so called codebehind code
file.
Yes, ASP.NET design tools are a part of Visual Studio suite.
ASP.NET itself is a part of .NET Framework IOW it's installed when .NET
Framework redistributables are installed...
ASP.NET runtime runs on server side and generates HTML + JavaScript(if
JavaScript enabled) based on Web forms' ASP.NET markup...
ASP.NET has many native advanced controls: they can be design time bound
(with many advanced binding options including custom classes, collections
etc. declarative binding...) or unbound...
In ASP.NET 2.0 and up there are advanced datasource controls as
SqlDataSource, AccessDataSource, ObjectDataSource, XMLDataSource etc...
There are relatively inexpensive third-party controls (e.g. Telerik), which
make ASP.NET development very similar to VB6 as people say (I do not use
these controls yet)...

Making apps as Northwind in ASP.NET will not need almost any imperative
(VB.NET or C#) coding at all: most of data binding, selection,
inserting/editing/deleting, validation and navigation between webforms and
reports can be expressed in ASP.NET mark-up using ASP.NET native controls...

Etc.

Of course making real-life apps will need imperative coding, sometimes quite
a lot, especially for enterprise level applications, but for small
businesses and for Intranet ASP.NET development could be IMO more RAD than
MS Access, and unlike MS Access apps the potential to scale properly
developed ASP.NET apps is unlimited...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old Dog - New Tricks

Shamil:

How does ASP.NET relate to VB.NET? Is ASP.NET a stand alone development
language live VB.NET?  Is ASP.NET part of the Visual Studio suite? Is it
primarily a back end tool or do you create all of the forms, reports, etc.
in ASP?

So many questions...

Thanks.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old Dog - New Tricks

Hi Rocky,

Go ASP.NET.
Your E-Z-MRP should be relatively easy to port to ASP.NET: I mean the way
you do organize your GUI in E-Z-ERP is rather similar to the pure ASP.NET
apps, IOW ASP.NET apps without AJAX and all other "goodies", which you can
add later, when first ASP.NET port ready and you get first experience with
ASP.NET (if that port is the goal of you and your customers)...

ASP.NET embraces everything in .NET technology except WinForms, which anyway
are getting a kind of obsolete replaced by WPF with XAML, XBAP and
SilverLight...

MS SQL Server 2005 Express edition should be good enough for small
businesses, when needed you can seamlessly switch to full MS SQL Server 2005
edition...

--
Shamil
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 6:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Old Dog - New Tricks

Dear List:
 
I am trying to decide what to do when I grow up.  Access is great but I
think the market for indies like myself is declining and I'm thinking that I
need to learn some new tricks.  The question is just what to learn.
 
I like developing small business applications - that's my strength.  So that
would be my target market.  But what platform?
 
I suppose whatever it is had better be web friendly.  Everyone seems to want
their databases and applications to reside on the web.  Or, if local, run
them in a browser.
 
So what should I learn?  VB.Net?  ASP?
I already have Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition which I got at a
Microsoft Launch and includes SQL Server 2005.
I also have VB 2008 Express Edition and Visual Web Developer.
I also have Front Page but that's been obsolete by Expressions which I can
get from the Web.
 
But I don't know how these different components relate.  Is ASP part of
Visual Studio?  Is ASP to .NET as DAO is to Access?  Can you deploy a .Net
app to the web or do you use something like Expressions to do it?  What
should I learn?  
 
Maybe I can combine what I need to learn with a Microsoft tutorial that will
get me back into the Partner Program.
 
I'm a bit at sea here as you can tell.  But assuming that I don't lay down
and let the feeling pass, I think it's time to start taking a serious look
at what I'm going to do for the next ten years. Probably a couple years past
due, actually.
 
Any advice/experience is of course, welcome.  
 
Regards,
 
Rocky
 
 
 
 
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