[AccessD] Downgrading Vista - Move to Tech List

Andy Lacey andy at minstersystems.co.uk
Wed Jul 16 01:58:05 CDT 2008


Hey guys

Gary asked nicely many hours ago that this thread be moved to the AccessD
Tech list where it belongs.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Karen Rosenstiel
>Sent: 16 July 2008 04:50
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading Vista
>
>
>Thanks Jim. After last night's frustration, tonight I am 
>feeling pretty smart. I just installed Horny Hoptoad (or 
>whatever the current Ubuntu version is ;-))) ) and then I 
>installed xampp with PHP (not PCP -- I work for a hospital and 
>probably have doctors on the brain!), MySQL and phpMyAdmin. 
>Then I secured them and I have my test box all ready for a new 
>web project.
>
>I am going to keep everyone's email advice because eventually 
>I will probably want XP Pro back on this box. But I am happy 
>with this Ubuntu set up. Boy it has gotten so much easier! 
>Practically as easy as Windows is to install, which, for all 
>my gripes, really IS usually an easy no-brainer to install. 
>Ubuntu has picked my main Windows box on the network with NO 
>tweaking of Samba. I think it picked up my network laser 
>printer too. Hot damn! 
>
>This is the best Linux install I've ever done. I am impressed. 
>But since my knowledge of Linux is limited, I am easily impressed.
>
>Anyway....we  had better close out this thread as the 
>moderator has requested.
>
>Thanks all of you, very much.
>
>
>Regards,
> 
>Karen Rosenstiel
>Seattle WA USA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:42 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
>dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading Vista
>
>Hi Karen:
>
>Just one small note to start; What is PCP/MySQL... is this 
>some new toxic programming language?
>
>I sent of a note to Hans, my son-in-law about your problems 
>with Vista and here is his response:
>
><comment>
>Yep. Downgrading from Vista to XP with SATA drives is a pain 
>in the backside. I did it myself as well for one of our work 
>PC's. It does indeed require a floppy drive with the drivers, 
>but fortunately I had a number of spare floppy drives lying 
>about which I could throw in for the installation process. 
>'Course, if you happen to have a very fancy server like some 
>of the ones I play with, the bios can mount a virtual floppy 
>drive. ;) The headache doesn't end there though, as in my 
>case, the HP I was downgrading Vista to XP on did not provide 
>XP drivers on their support site for many of the components on 
>the PC (motherboard, integrated sound board, etc). It meant 
>identifying all these components manually and tracking down 
>the drivers manually. Sigh.
>
>Going the Ubuntu route is probably wise. You can then install 
>XP on some virtual machine, like Parallels ($$$), VMWare ($$$) 
>or Virtual Box (Free for non-commercial use). VirtualBox is 
>pretty good now days, so I'd recommend it for general use. You 
>might get a few headaches trying anything fancy like mounting 
>your iPod via USB. And you don't get 3D accelerated graphics, 
>which VMWare can do. I was lucky to sign up for a VMWare 
>Fusion beta test, so I got VMWare for free for my MacBook and 
>I like it. </comment>  
>
>If you are having any other problems with your new environment 
>just send along a comment.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Karen Rosenstiel
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:26 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading Vista
>
>Guess what? That's exactly what I did.
>
>After the first call with that Dell idiot, I did some 
>research. Sure enough, if you get a box with Vista Business or 
>Ultimate pre-installed, you can downgrad to XP. So I called 
>Dell back and told them that. This time they flat refused to help me.
>
>So I called MS. Well, credit where credit is due! After MS 
>verified my XP cd was a legitimate retail purchase, I got a 
>tech guy from New Delhi (I asked
>him) who was intelligent, efficient and helpful. Spoke English 
>pretty well too. But basically what it came down to was some 
>pci drivers. He apologized profusely but referred me back to 
>Dell for assistance in disabling the drivers.
>
>So I said the hell with it and installed Ubuntu. I had a DVD 
>with 10 full distros, but I do like Ubuntu/Kubuntu the best. 
>It's a little cranky on my box -- no network yet -- but did a 
>good job of picking up most of the hardware. Tomorrow I will 
>install XAMPP, an easy installer for Apache, MySQL, PCP and 
>Perl. Very painless. Then I can use this box to learn 
>PCP/MySQL. I have a big project I volunteered for to redo 
>someone else's web site -- a pretty site but gawdawful code.
>
>For right now, it's bed time.
>
>Thanks for all the support
>
>Regards,
> 
>Karen Rosenstiel
>Seattle WA USA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:31 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading Vista
>
>Karen:
>
>If the worse comes to the worse you can always switch to 
>Ububtu Linux (easier than XP/Vista apparently) and install 
>Wine or Parallel so you can run some of your MS apps. (The 
>latest versions of Linux have no issues with SATA drives).
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>krosenstiel at comcast.net
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:15 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading Vista
>
>I do have a USB floppy. Got it when I got the laptop just for 
>such current episodes.
>
>--
>Karen Rosenstiel
>Seattle WA USA
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: "Edward S Zuris" <edzedz at comcast.net>
>> 
>>  You can buy a floppy hooked to a USB.
>> 
>>  I have used those in the past on Laptops  with no floppy drive.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>> Foust
>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:29 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading Vista
>> 
>> 
>> I hope you don't really mean floppy disk, John.  My laptop doesn't
>> have floppy drives and neither do any of the others I've seen.
>> 
>> Charlotte Foust
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>John Bartow
>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:20 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading Vista
>> 
>> If you have either SCSI or SATA drives you can install XP but while
>> doing so you must watch for the (initial blue) screen that 
>asks you to 
>> press F6 for additional drivers (or something to that effect). You 
>> then need to have those drivers ready on a floppy disk.
>> 
>> HTH
>> John B.
>> 
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