[AccessD] Web Applications

"there isn't anything you can't do with ASP and a client side script." Drew

...sigh ...so sayeth the Word Perfect 5.1 user re upgrading :(

...you guys who want to brag about using notepad to develop web sites ...bs! 
(imnsho of course) ...anything beyond basic html is a non-starter using 
notepad.

...and yes, you can do most things in ASP ...and a Model-T will get you to 
the store and back with great gas mileage

...takes a real geek to drive a Model-T every day, though ...most of us like 
our power windows and a/c ...not to mention not having to use the spark 
advance lever to get up a hill :)

William

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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:19 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web Applications

> I can do ASP and HTML with notepad proficiently, though I prefer
> Microsoft Script Editor.  Javascript, I wouldn't call myself proficient.
> I could muddle through something if I needed too, but I'm usually
> googling when time is an issue.
>
> As for ASP.NET being overkill....yep.  It has it's advantages, but there
> isn't anything you can't do with ASP and a client side script.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
> Ismert
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:41 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web Applications
>
> Hi, All,
>
> Some further responses:
>
> Mark,
> "I challenge anyone to be proficient in all of the below with
> development
> via text editor."
> I did it for two years using just creaky old Notepad++, and a GREP tool.
> Of
> course, I was using PHP/Apache/MySQL, which is suited to this
> development
> style. I even took a shot at writing an MVC web framework in PHP, which,
> while not ready for production use, showed promising results. Almost the
> whole Ruby on Rails community uses Textmate.
>
> Drew,
> "If someone really wanted to learn to fly, I wouldn't recommend they
> start
> with an SR-71 either! ;)"
> I have to agree with you on this one. The opinion of certain local
> developers who I respect is that ASP.NET is overkill. My
> 'over-the-shoulder'
> view of the large ASP.NET project I was doing CSS consulting for was
> that
> the group of young, talented developers where creating more mess than
> they
> were solving. Using a super-fancy IDE doesn't absolve you of the
> discipline
> required to make a successful project. And if you have the discipline,
> you
> can do it without the super-fancy IDE.
>
> William,
> My "minimum effort" web development strategy is:
> * Use the subset of CSS 2.1 that IE7 supports
> * Develop the site in FireFox/FireBug (see "Browsers of 2009" link ...
> it
> really is less effort to do it this way)
> * Tweak the site to work in IE7 (this requires *very* few changes from
> standard CSS)
> * Work in IE6 to ensure the site is functional, and achieve 80%-96% of
> the
> look of the site in the top-tier browsers
>
> "...but less a few plug-ins I find useful for web work, IE8 is my
> development browser for the moment ..."
> I can't help but wondering whether the "few plug-ins I find useful" is
> FireBug under FireFox. If IE8 provides developer tools superior to
> FireBug,
> I'll consider switching, too.
>
> "...I find the FF devotees akin to any other cult group .."
> Without the FireFox gadfly, Microsoft would never have developed IE8.
> This
> forced forward progress is good for all. It remains to be seen whether
> IE8
> will staunch the losses Microsoft continues to suffer in the browser
> arena.
>
> "...the practical matter is that IE remains the defacto user
> standard..."
> The fact is there are real standards, maintained by the W3C. When you
> look
> at compliance to *actual* standards, FireFox/Safari/Opera/Chrome are far
> better than IE, although 8 closes the gap considerably. This is the
> overwhelming consensus of the standards-based web development community.
>
> -Ken
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