Lembit Soobik
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Thu Aug 6 06:46:13 CDT 2009
Now all we need is a piece of SW that decides where each msg has to go ;) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> > This message has been re-posted to dba-tech as it deals with a technical > matter not involving Access. > Thank you for your co-operation in this matter. > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > Sent: 06 August 2009 12:05 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message > > This posting has been moved to the list "Max's usual ramblings" > Please post any responses to /Dev/Null > > :-) > > > On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:49, Max Wanadoo wrote: > >> Further to what Stuart said below, >> >> I can hereby state that I will have no objection if anybody re-posts my >> ramblings to other locations. >> >> In fact, I would ask that they do so. I do not want to deliberately post > to >> wrong list, but, like many others, I just get caught up in the "debate" > and >> don't even look to see which list it is on. >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan >> Sent: 06 August 2009 11:32 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message >> >> IMNSHO, there's nothing wrong with the the current list structure. >> Recent >> problem has been >> caused purely by several long threads which were clearly not Access > related >> and which >> should have gone to the Tech or SQL Server lists originally >> >> I agree that we have a problem with not enough people using the Tech >> list. >> I would >> encourage everyone to subscribe and use it. >> >> Whenever someone posts to the wrong list, a moderator should post a copy > to >> the correct >> list and also post a message saying that they have done so and request > that >> all further >> response go to that list. This would also encourage more members to >> subscribe to the >> other lists. >> >> You don't even need to give someone moderator priveleges on the list to >> do >> this. >> If the BOD want to appoint additional help to do it - my hand is up. >> >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> >> >> On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote: >> >> > Hi Andy >> > >> > I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - >> > always >> polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support >> from me. >> > >> > Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the > largest >> scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good. >> > >> > However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which > could >> be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not > exclusively. >> As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other >> environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us >> who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done > a >> great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind). >> > Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs > to >> the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates >> directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well. >> Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and > with >> this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should > be >> no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide. >> > >> > That would leave: >> > >> > AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database >> related material >> > AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech >> list >> > AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other >> lists >> > >> > Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the > value >> of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of >> our >> present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the >> count of messages per day. >> > >> > /gustav >> > >> > >> > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>> >> > The Moderator's Lament >> > ---------------------- >> > >> > I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I >> did. >> > I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have >> > neither >> the >> > energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to > keep >> > the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said, >> and >> > keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think >> that >> > sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided >> into >> > 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do >> > intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to >> sound >> > like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens. >> > Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time >> > and >> > have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd >> > be >> > nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not > everyone >> > agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that > we >> > need everyone to (more or less) abide by it. >> > >> > I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. > It >> > seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell >> into >> > disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a >> > general >> > (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience > is >> to >> > go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, >> > in >> > homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically >> (the >> > key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're >> debating >> > here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just >> > Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original > suggestion >> > but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then > have >> > little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current > email-soup >> > may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the > family >> > ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess. >> > >> > I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall >> > atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter >> voices >> > deserve to be heard too. >> > >> > Your ever/over tolerant moderator >> > >> > Andy >> > >> > >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com