Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Sat Aug 8 07:59:08 CDT 2009
Hi Max,
Thank you for your response on my proposal.
Clarification:
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In fact my posting is a proposal to find (IMO/AFAISI) "People-oriented"
solution or I'd better say "people-life-time-saver" solution: we all are
getting older you know and I, personally, am starting to value here every
bit of my time to spend it more with my family and relatives than with
computers. Yes, I accept Access-D, which I participate in since 1997 as my
very close "family" members, and some of that "family" members were even
here in St.Petersburg, Russia, and I met them personally, and all the other
are very welcome, still I'd prefer to not spend that much time as it's
needed nowadays to filter out the postings I'm not interested in - here is
where my proposal comes from. And the issue is not a fraction of second
spent on reading a message subject/deciding am I interested in that issue,
have I time to help - issue is on switching from actual work to Access-D
flooded e-mails folder - that's a waste of time to filter real grains/help
requests from "noise" ones (yes, I do produce such noise also once in a
while - you can accept this message like that :))...
Well, you can find myself not well organized or something like that if such
"small things" as flooded Access-D e-mails folder drives my attention out of
actual work...
And now, to really value each other time here, to save our time and
environment, I'd propose to introduce even more granular division:
AccessD - MS Access/VBA only
dba-VB - VB.NET/C#/.NET only
dba-IT-911
- quick help needed on any software/development/
IT-related issues
dba-IT
- MS Access/Office/VBA/MS SQL/C#/VB.NET/.NET Framework
/MS Windows System/Hardware etc. - practical, final
result oriented, everyday software development
business discussions...
dba-IT-OT
- IT development related stuff - any, including
discussions of conceptual/computer science stuff...
dba-IT-Club
- Friday Humor, Max vs. JC (and similar) jokes e-mail
ping-pong etc.
dba-OT - everything.
As I have written I'd get subscribed to all of them except dba-OT but I'd
keep "keen eye"/try to help during working day for postings in AccessD,
dba-VB, dba-IT-911, and I'd read/participate in dba-IT, dba-IT-OT,
dba-IT-Club in the end of my working day/during weekends.
There could be also
dba-Socializing-Chit-Chat-Ping-Pong
for short messages coming all the time as it happens in the office during
working day - that would be to not feel alone for the ones of us who are
mainly working in "alone-wolf" mode - I'd subscribe for that list too but
I'd participate in it during the days free of heavy duty work, and on end of
the working days and on weekends...
If anybody wanted to have all the above topics coming in one folder - that's
easy to do with nowadays technologies...
If anybody wanted to not even see messages coming on one of the above topics
- then they will not subscribe the corresponding list...
As a final note you all are very welcome to St.Petersburg, Russia, and the
folks who have been here do know that I'm always open to meet them to go
together around the city, to have a beer/restaurant party - that's all my
pleasure to see you here...
That's my final post on the subject.
Leaving for weekend now.
Have a nice weekend.
Thank you.
--
Shamil
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Sorry Shamil,
I must totally disagree with this. This is a top-down approach from a
systems analyst.
But we are not talking here about a software solution but a "People"
solution.
IMO you have too many, far too many, divisions. Most of my IT stuff crosses
these borders time and time again.
I would say we need only 3 lists.
1. DBA-IT (your AccessD, DBA-VB, DBA-IT below, anything MS related really) -
these all intermingle for me time and time again.
2. DBBA-Tech - Anything computer/development related which does not fall
under 1.
3. DBA-OT - Anything - General chat.
The Friday OT relaxation can be maintained/stopped - I have no preference.
I would not like to see a plethora of Lists because they do not reflect real
life development.
I am not doing .net etc but love reading about it (osmosis learning) and if
a subject comes up which I am not at all interested in, I just click Delete.
I am currently working on a project which involves Access, VBScript and .HTA
(HTML) within the one project. I would like to post this to just No.1 above
and not bit-wise across three lists.
Well, there we go. My 2 Roubles <g>
Max
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 08 August 2009 11:22
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Hi All,
Here is my proposal on AccessD discussions rules:
AccessD - MS Access/VBA only
dba-VB - VB.NET/C#/.NET only
dba-IT - MS Access/Office/VBA/MS SQL/C#/VB.NET/.NET Framework
/MS Windows System/Hardware etc. - practical, final
result oriented, everyday software development
business discussions...
dba-IT-OT - IT development related stuff - any, including
discussions of conceptual/computer science stuff...
dba-IT-ChitChat - Friday Humor, Max vs. JC (and similar) jokes e-mail
ping-pong etc.
dba-OT - everything.
I'd subscribe for and participate in all of them but not dba-OT as it has
very high postings volume (this is not a problem for my Internet connection
- but a problem for my e-mail archives). I'd also subscribe for dba-OT once
in a while when I'd feel a need to discuss subjects, which do not fit other
lists topics' rules.
I'd make all public discussions self-moderated with dedicated moderators
having authority to ban accounts of the members who do not follow the rules
but not spending their time pre-moderating discussions: lists members can
inform moderators about posts violating the rules and then moderators can
cut/stop the discussion thread in urgent cases (SPAM, flame, cycled
autoresponders...), or forward it to another list...
Have nice weekend.
Thank you.
--
Shamil
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Oh Sorry, John.
Can you point out the other latin paragraphs on the website - I must have
missed them.
Max
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 08 August 2009 00:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
No, it's the UK English spelling that has changed from the Latin. :-)
John
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Ahem! I think you meant "..and the spelling was corrected"
Max
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
And that was on the lyris welcome message on 20 June 2000, when I signed up:
"Welcome to the AccessDevelopers.Org Discussion List ...
The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for the posting and
discussion of news and information relating to developing applications in
Microsoft Access. That means that ANYTHING Access related is fair game.
We try to maintain a light, family oriented environment and recognize that
humor and banter are part and parcel. However please restrict posting of
jokes (topical, non-offensive only) to Fridays and clearly mark them as
OT/Humor."
Only in the meanwhile the spelling of Humor has got anglicised...
John
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database Advisors as a
corporate entity.
It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp
See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"
GK
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L
> Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic.
>> We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>