jwcolby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Sun Aug 9 10:41:09 CDT 2009
And this is a good part of my problem as well. Access is not a word processor or a spreadsheet, it is a Rapid Application Development ENVIRONMENT as well as an application that runs an APPLICATION. As such the tool bars should be targeted to the DEVELOPER, to make his job easier, but it should also be completely and EASILY removable so that the developed application can be displayed without the tool bars if that is what is required. It is this last piece that is missing, entirely and with malice and forethought missing. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote: > My biggest problem with the ribbon is not designing with it but having one > of my 03 app forms which take the full screen get cut off at the bottom. > This headache will go away someday as 03 is obsolete but I think I'll be > retired or dead by them. I just sold one of my packaged systems to a small > company that's still on A2K. > > You see a lot of my business is selling and supporting a canned app - so it > has to be compatible with 2000, 2002, 2003, 2007, and soon 2010. > > I have code in my 03 apps that checks the version and turns off the ribbon > which saves redesigning the form. So far I haven't had the luxury of > designing a fresh app on 07 because the client was entirely an 07 site. > > Rocky > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:48:30 +0400 > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll > > > Hi John, > > Yes, ROTFLA. Sorry, I will post one more comment on that experience as it is > related to MS Access 2007 (it's Sunday - let me violate slightly the rules): > > - during that business trip I did have a choice to use automatic gearbox but > I didn't, and I didn't also get full insurance car leaving franchise payment > in the case of a small car damage shared with my colleague. I'd also note > that this rented car's accelerator's and clutch's pedals were much more > sensitive than the ones of mine (I do have some fitness training for my legs > while driving the car :)) (when I have got back home and tried to start my > car I was first time a kind of shocked how hard is to push my own car's > accelerator's pedal) - for the rest that was very good car and driving left > hand side wasn't as big issue as using mechanical gearbox and turning left > on crossroads without the risk to damage car wheels' tires etc... > > ...as for Access 2007 - I have used it during that business trip on everyday > basis for project's support work, and that was very stressful project with > long working hours till 2a.m. sometimes, with 6-7 a.m. getting awaken and > then back to work at 9 a.m. - and you know I haven't got any issues with the > Ribbon - I felt it was OK and designed *right* for me :) ... > > You can guess now why I felt so good that time, and I feel so good now with > the usage of MS Office/Access Ribbon. :) > > Advise for the folks who still won't/can't overcome "the Ribbon adaptation > phobia": try to experience something like I did (or more stressful > experience - sky-diving? :)) and do use MS Office 2007/Access 2007 the same > time - and you'll get it *right* for you! ;) > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > P.S. But "Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon" thread explains > everything, isn't it? Maybe MS folks weren't so careful with the Ribbon > implementation for MS Access 2007, as they were with MS Word 2007, MS Excel > 2007,... - who knows. Maybe using statistical analysis and eyes' movement > tracing isn't the best way to design GUI - we will know that soon when MS > Office 2000-2003 will go out of usage and MS Office/Access 2007 and higher > will become widespread for the most of users and developers.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:26 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll > > ROTFL, I get your point, but I have a choice don't I to rent a "mechanical > gearbox". I did drive in > Ireland and just made sure I specified an automatic, and it was a relative > piece of cake. It was > definitely strange, for the entire time, but I don't drink and I had > absolutely zero problems > driving there. > > I certainly don't need to start the whole discussion all over again, nor do > are you required to > respond ever again. > > Do I feel "Safe" with Microsoft? Sure. Do I think they have MY best > interests at heart. > Absolutely not! Do I think they have Microsoft's best interests at heart? > Absolutely! IF my best > interests don't conflict with theirs then fine, otherwise to bad for JC. > > I too think they are developing some truly world class software. I think > the .Net framework is > unparalleled in the world today. Did they do it for me? Not a chance, they > did it to force me to > stay on windows. It makes many many different things possible (even > trivial) that might very well > be impossible in a Linux environment. > > But it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME, personally or as a > developer that they went to > this huge expense. > > I just FEEL that it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME that they > did the Office interface > redesign. I think it was best for Microsoft. > > That is the way of the world, and I understand that. But when someone who > owns the guitar market > suddenly strings backwards all guitars sold in the future, for no other > apparent reason than that it > is good for their company, I don't have to like it. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: >> Sorry forgot to note that the car with the right-side located steering > wheel >> had also a mechanical gearbox... >> >> -- >> Shamil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] >> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:41 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access poll >> >> John, >> >> Let me have this my posting as the last one in this thread? My last > posting >> but anybody else please feel free to comment on it but do not "force me" > to >> reply - OK? >> >> Yes, my example with cars' "interfaces" evolution maybe is not that a good >> analogy to comment on what and why happened with good old MS Office >> CommandBars replaced by Ribbon. I prefer to not comment (a lot) on what >> reasons lay behind that MS decision. I do feel the reasons were good and >> real business oriented as I see that MS is releasing more and more mature >> software with years both for end users, developers and system engineers. > I'm >> not saying I understand/can explain all their reasons. Many of them are >> beyond me. But I feel good and safe with MS software. (Much) more good and >> safe than before. >> >> Have you ever tried to drive a car in UK, Ireland, Japan...? - or whatever >> else country/place in this world where they have a steering wheel on the >> right side? And I mean driving such a "unusual car" when you have zero >> experience with right-located steering wheel and many years experience of >> driving a "normal" car? And you rent such an "unusual car" and you go from >> airport almost straight on highway, in the night's darkness, under the > rain >> etc... >> >> If you do have such experience you know how it feels - comparing with that >> experience learning Ribbon is just a child's play. I mean that. :) >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> Shamil >