[AccessD] IronSpeed

William,

For what it's worth, I've looked at both IronSpeed and nth Penguin's
WebWidgetry.  I had a unique opportunity with WebWidgetry in that the
guy who developed it lives in Neenah and his company has its office in
Appleton, just 15 minutes away.

I went to the guy's office one night a couple of weeks ago.  I was
looking at his code generator to get a jump on an Access-to-web
conversion project.  WebWidgetry is much different from IronSpeed in
that IronSpeed uses "standard" ASP.NET objects to manipulate data with
the associated SQL Data Sources.

However, Web Widgetry sets up web services for the back-end database.
It is very JavaScript heavy (the developer is a JS whiz)...but it
still uses the ASP.NET framework.  He's done a good job of integrating
his WebWidgetry namespace into Visual Studio, complete with
Intellisense.  The auto code generation is just the tip of the
WebWidgetry iceberg.

Only one problem: it's a beta.  The guy has been working on it for
four years, but as a sideline to his main custom development business.
 He and his partner are looking for venture capital to get it to
market.  I'm not holding my breath.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, William Hindman
<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> Max
>
> ...just a note from my own experience with such tools ...when I first
> started looking at web technologies because a large client insisted that I
> do his web site rather than farm it out to someone he didn't know, Iron
> Speed was one of the tools I evaluated before going with Code Charge Studio
> ...a long and painful time later I actually produced a data driven site with
> it ...but the limitations are very serious ...you do it their way and if
> they can't do it, well then you have to build it from scratch and wonder why
> in the hell you didn't do it all from scratch ...there are compromises that
> are forced upon you at every turn and they accumulate ...immediately after I
> delivered the web site MS released VS Express Web Developer Edition for free
> and I started playing with it ...heaven! ...Access on steroids on the web
> ...and totally free ...and while the learning curve, while not paltry, was
> no more than with Iron Speed or CCS, the results were enormously better in
> functionality, performance, and the gui.
>
> ...any of these tools readily use an mdb as their datasource ...but with VS
> its native and there are a HUGE amount of resources on the web to resolve
> virtually any problem you can think of ...Iron Speed and CCS have dedicated
> user communities but its necessarily very limited in comparison to VS.
>
> ...hth
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:38 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed
>
>> John Cliviger:
>>
>> John, do you (or anybody) have any experience of deploying MS Access DBs
>> to
>> IronSpeed?
>>
>> http://www.ironspeed.com/products/DownloadNow.aspx?c=CP02
>>
>> Thanks
>> Max