Max Wanadoo
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sat Feb 21 13:55:29 CST 2009
No Rocky, You have missed the WHOLE concept! Sorry to be pedantic, but:- 1. You do this ONCE on each installation for each language , or 2. You do it for them BEFORE you distribute the app, or 3. You ALLOW them to do it themselves if you decide that is ok. 4. There is no "open form, run the translation code to change the captions EACH AND EVERY time we open the form". The captions are correct ALL THE TIME. This is could easily be, "ok, not you have to restart the app before your selection are implemented, etc - how many apps have we installed where it says something similar, but it is actually changed there and then!!! 5. Once you have run this code, you never have to run it again (unless you want to). 6. No, you don't have to restart, but I would recommend it. 7. No, repeat NO overheads at run time. No Collections, no Containers, no Classes (sorry JC), no nothing... your code is now showing the captions as if you had given it to them "exactly as" when you sent it to them. If that doesn't solve your problem, then I leave to others to come up with a better solution then RUN ONCE AND FORGET! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 21 February 2009 17:41 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? - The Solution Max said so. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:28 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? - The Solution Why do you have to restart the app? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > So, I'll spill the beans. When the user changes languages Max's > solution opens the form hidden in design mode, updates the captions > from the language table, and save it back. Then you have to restart > the app to see then new captions. > > Two problems for me: 1) since there are about 90 forms and 60 reports, > so there would be some delay in changing languages but since that > wouldn't happen very often I suppose it would be tolerable, and 2) and > more important, I distribute my app as an mde so I don't think I can > open the forms in design view at run time. > > But for an mdb, good solution. > > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? - The Solution > > Have you patented it yet? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> There is no comparison. Nothing else comes even close. >> >> Can't post to list as it is an mdb -I will send to your email. >> >> Off to pub now. Hope you like it. >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin at Beach Access Software >> Sent: 21 February 2009 15:04 >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? - The Solution >> >> YES! Post it to the list. I'll drop it into Colby's demo and set a >> switch so it can go back and forth. >> >> In fact, that demo could be the template for making comparisons among all >> the solutions. >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max >> Wanadoo >> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:47 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? - The Solution >> >> Hello Rocky, >> Well, I have read with interest all the to-ing and fro-ing from the >> various contributors. >> So, I laid me down laterally and started thinking laterally. >> The solution came to be sometime around my 3rd drink. >> I consolidated my thoughts in bed. >> When I woke this morning, I tested them out with a sample mdb using >> English, French and German. All work beautifully. Add as many >> languages as you want. >> >> The solution I have has the following benefits: >> >> Instantaneous >> No variables >> No Collections >> No Classes (although the solution could be said to be upper class >> <ha!> No Arrays No Memory overheads Forms shown the language required >> every time with no overheads. >> Unlimited Languages >> >> Should I post the sample mdb to you? >> >> Max >> Ps. Bet your intrigued - you will love this solution. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin at Beach Access Software >> Sent: 20 February 2009 23:48 >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? >> >> In the case of this app, however, there can be multiple back ends in >> different locations. So to get them updated I'd have to send out an >> update program. Or embed the updates in the next release of the >> front end. And check each back end that gets opened to see if the >> latest updates were in there. Actually, keeping the latest Language >> table in the front end and transferring it to the back end on opening >> each time would ensure that the back end was up to date. >> >> But at that point, with the language table in the front end anyway, >> wouldn't it make sense just to run the translations from the front >> end > table? >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:50 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? >> >> And this is where Global Classes come into play. >> >> In the case of your multi-lingual app, your data may not change very >> often, but it has the potential to change. That being the case, by >> putting the data in the BE, you don't have to update the FE for a >> simple > data change. >> However, instead of constantly pulling the data across from the BE, >> you load the class when your app starts up, and the data is simply >> kept in > memory. >> Pulling a few thousand records really isn't a big deal, as long as >> they aren't memo fields with megs of information. 2.5k records, with >> even 1k cay of information is only going to use 2.5 megs of RAM >> (roughly) In the case where you are storing a few bytes of info, >> it's negligent, especially on machines where 1 to 2 gig is standard RAM. >> >> Even in situations like a State table (TX, AL, FL, etc.). Sure, >> there are 50 states now, but putting lookup tables in the FE can lead >> to unnecessary mass updates. >> >> Drew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky >> Smolin at Beach Access Software >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:06 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? >> >> " I am not going to get into the "this is a local table so it goes in >> the FE... oh damn, now I gotta go update the data in 5 different FEs". >> BEs are for data (in my world)." >> >> In my case, where the 'data' is really static, and is needed by each >> user, wouldn't the design be better with the language tables in the FE? >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for >> the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI >> Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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