[AccessD] Find First in an Array? - The Solution Revisited - Now Tag is the Answer

William Hindman wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Tue Feb 24 17:37:27 CST 2009


...sigh ...c'mon jc ...you're whole argument has become pros use classes, 
nubees use tags ...which is not only insulting but simply not true ...I can 
take you on a guided tour of access pro sites offering tag solutions/code.

...now as it happens, I've never used tags before ...just seemed like there 
was always an easier way ...but then I've never written classes in access 
either ...but my apps still work and the clients keep calling ...which, 
insults aside, is the bottom line for all of us.

William

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From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:03 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Find First in an Array? - The Solution Revisited - 
Now Tag is the Answer

> LOL.  No I think the argument is that the tag is NOT designed for this 
> purpose, it is a general
> purpose property left over from the dark ages.  It is used by nubee 
> programmers, business owners etc
> who build their own systems, which most of us have had to come in and work 
> on at one point or
> another in our illustrious careers.  Given that it is used by nubees and 
> business owners, who
> haven't a clue about proper programming techniques (though WE ARE SUPPOSED 
> TO!!!), you cannot depend
> on it not to contain leftover junk that just may be critical.  So to get 
> in the habit of using the
> tag to store denormalized data is:
>
> A) Silly
> B) Possibly dangerous, depending on where the system had it's origins.
> C) Silly
> D) Silly
>
> and finally
>
> E) Silly.
>
> Stuart, we are supposed to be professionals.  Excuse me for putting it 
> quite so bluntly, but the tag
> is squarely in the domain of the amateur.  Personally I do not care if you 
> use it, nor if anyone
> else uses it, but to ridicule those who have much more powerful tools at 
> their disposal and the
> knowledge to use them, is unprofessional in and of itself.
>
> As I said, if you love them, by all means use them.  You will not find me 
> using them for a LOT of
> very good reasons.
>
> I choose not to comment on Shamil's opinions.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> So let me get this clear. Your argument is:
>>
>> 1.  I need to store a string value for each control.
>>
>> 2.  Controls has been designed with a property specifically for this 
>> purpose.
>>
>> 3.  I won't use the property in case I need to use it for something else 
>> later on,  instead I will
>> build a complete new system which will allow me to do all sorts of neat 
>> things with controls
>> in case I need to in the future.
>>
>> May I refer you to Shamil's posting last Friday in this thread?
>>
>> <quote>
>> May I warn you about what is known as:
>> "Premature Optimization"
>> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PrematureOptimization
>> and
>> "Premature Generalization"
>> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PrematureGeneralizationIsEvil
>> Have a look:
>> "Death by premature generalization"
>> http://ryanfarley.com/blog/archive/2004/04/30/570.aspx
>> </quote>
>>
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