Max Wanadoo
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sat Feb 28 15:06:55 CST 2009
Yes, Shamil and Gustav. William's reason is the same as mine (although I am 65) and the age is against us (unlikely to get to payback time v investment time). I will watch with interest though. Max Laugh more than cry. Smile more than frown. Be generous in spirit. And always stand your round in the pub! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: 28 February 2009 20:25 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) Shamil "May I ask you all why Gustav and myself can't get a group of 5 team members?" ...I'm 62 yo and have worked as a single developer for the past 15 years ...SCRUM is focused on something I'm very unlikely to ever use ...and fortunately, I'm still so loaded down between development work and building our home that I simply have no time available for anything that I don't foresee using myself ...I do wish I was 20 years younger and could find the time and energy to learn something new from people like you and gustav just for the hell of it ...but I'm not and that's the long and short of it. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:48 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD]Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) > > Hi Gustav, > > Thank you for registering. > > Yes, I agree that at this moment 5 users limitations seems of no > importance. > > Anybody else wanted to join me and Gustav to try MS Access Northwind to > .NET Winforms Northwind conversion project? > Project is currently planned to be started at 9th of March 2009, and is > expected to be finished in max 1 man month of common efforts. > Conversion is planned to be done using SCRUM/agile development methology. > It will be public open source project with project progress information > and final converted application published on AccessD. > This is planned to be as simple as possible project - the only knowledge > of VS2008 that would be needed at the beginning is how to design .NET > WinForms by dragginbg and dropping controls and settings some properties. > And this development activity is simple - my seven years old kid started > to "design" WinForms after 2 minutes of my introduction, and he even > "programmed" buttons' click events reaction etc. Really easy and very much > alike to the usual MS Access forms development. > > .NET ReportViewer Control reports' design experience would be a plus but > not necessary as it's also rather straightforward to get acquanted with > for experienced developers whatever else Report Designer they used > before... > > Folks, if you can't join this project because you're very busy maybe you > can at least participate in the "planning poker game"? There is a free > online tool to play it: http://www.planningpoker.com/ > > May I ask yuu all why Gustav and myself can't get a group of 5 team > members? > > If you do not want to answer on this question here please send me private > e-mails with your reasons - just one most important reason or several, and > I will collect them and publish here anonymously. And I can make an > anonymous online poll based on that reasons to vote and see what are main > reasons, which stop such projects. Please write and send ANY reasons which > stop you from participating in this discussion/project. > > I will wait for your votes/e-mails till next Wednesday as it's weekend now > and not all listers work over weekend. I do hope somebody will join us > during the next week. > > In the meantime I will be preparing infrastructure, and some simple tools > to patially automate this conversion, and I will have also to work for my > customers of course... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:43:11 +0100 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) > >> Hi Shamil >> >> OK, I signed up. >> >> As for the software, the TargetProcess "community edition" will only do >> be free for 5 licenses. If more users, it is USD 249 for each and every >> user: >> >> Q. What if I need 6 users pack? >> In this case it will be required to purchase 6 full licenses. Community >> Edition allows to have 5 licenses, if you need more, you have to migrate >> to On-Site or On-Demand Full Edition. >> >> However, at this moment this limitation seems of no importance. >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 28-02-2009 15:43 >>> >> >> Hi Gustav and Fellow Listers, >> >> Yes, the response on my proposal is a bit discouraging but I'm continuing >> preparation here for the conversion project of MS Access NorthWind sample >> app to .NET WinForms. >> >> Yes, Gustav, we can try to do it just with you but SCRUM/agile process >> needs a little bit more team members - at least 4-5: if doing this >> project by using just your and mine efforts it can be done agile way but >> not SCRUM, and it will take more time, and what is most important it will >> not show advantages of working as a team - and the advantages in this >> case is not only joining the efforts and skills - the main advantage is >> to experience how teamwork influences one's own views and insights - and >> it does influence then very effectively - I mean that - I have just >> experienced that during CSM course in Helsinki. Even participating for >> years in great dicussion lists as this AccessD one do not change one's >> stereotypes and (conservative) ways of thinking as SCRUM/agile teamwork >> does... >> >> I plan to keep preparing SCRUM/agile infrastructure for the Northwind >> conversion project within the next week - in my plans is to setup DNN >> site - first step is done: >> >> http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/dnn49 >> >> nothing except registration there yet but it's up&running - I "just" need >> to add some DNN modules - do not know how to do that yet - plan to do >> that within the next week - I can keep posting SCRUM related info on this >> site as well as we can have wiki board on it to have "daily stand-up >> meetings" as well as I can setup newlist on it to have everybody >> registered and subscribed to this newlist informed on what is happening. >> Of course it will be forwarded here - the best woudl be to have separate >> SCRUM%Access-D list but it's probably too early? >> >> I'm also evaluating this software >> >> http://www.targetprocess.com/Product.aspx >> >> to have our project tasks and their completion progress status easily >> manageable and viewvable by every team member. I also expect (they talk >> about integration with CVS but I haven't yet evaluated how it's done) >> this software will allow to keep distributed source control for the team. >> This software seems to have a free community edition and if that is true >> then I can install it on my ASP.NET hosting web site. >> >> Please everybody interested help me to evaluate how useful it is for our >> purposes. >> If you can find any better ASP.NET alternatives that woull be very >> useful. >> >> I persoally like a lot this Team Taskboard of SCRUMWorks software: >> >> http://danube.com/sw_flash/feature/features-team_taskboard.html >> >> but this software is JAVA based and a "black-box" for me - I'd not use it >> because of that. >> >> I'm currently spending considerably more than one hour here to prepare >> all that - I can't ask to spend that much time you or other AcceessD >> members but when everything ready I'd propose to strickly keep the >> context of spending not more than one hour (5 hours total per week) for >> this project. Well, maybe some more time discussing here how it will be >> proceeding... >> >> I'd set 9th of Macrh 2009 as the start date for this project - OK? - if >> nobody will join us by that date we will try to do it together with you. >> Everybody are welcome! If to not participate in this project by doing >> some simple .NET forms design/program then at least to help us to >> evaluate how much this or that feature/task will take to get implemented. >> This is so called "estimation using planning poker cards" - >> http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker - doing such an estimation by two >> people could result in not so good results as when it's done by 5 or more >> people. >> >> Here are some links on SCRUM/agile and related issues - I will keep >> posting links like that to get convinced some more AccessD members to >> join our project: >> >> Tobias Mayer - my facilitator during SCRUM course there in Helsinki: >> http://www.danube.com/blog/tobias_mayer/ >> >> Agile software development info: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development >> >> Scale Back: Small is Beautiful - how group evaluation/planning results in >> simple but very good results: >> http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/08/18/scale-back-small-is-beautiful >> >> Extreme Scrum (154KB) >> https://www-927.ibm.com/ibm/cas/archives/2007/data/Agile/Extreme_Scrum.pdf >> >> What happens when we are all connected - Future Views >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqPs0xuG39Q (~6 min) >> >> "Only 3% of the world is on broadband today, and it's neither cheap, fast >> or mobile enough. This will change in the next 2-3 years, and the >> implications are huge: everyone shares, everyone networks with >> strangers-like-me, everyone co-creates, everything is connected. A video >> by Futurist and Author Gerd Leonhard" >> >> Working on SCRUM/Agile infrastructure here/expecting for more AccessD to >> connect this project... >> >> Please comment on this my posting - all and every comments and >> contributions are very welcome! >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> Shamil >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> >> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:10:00 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) >> >> > Hi Shamil >> > >> > Not much response to your proposal ... I guess our fellow listers are >> > too busy or just don't feel the need to experience how to work in a >> > group. >> > To be honest, neither do I have currently that need but as "you never >> > know" I am prepared to allocate the time you suggest. That makes two. >> > But two? Doesn't it require three "to make a crowd"? >> > >> > Your adjusted description of the project fits me very well. >> > >> > /gustav >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com