Mike Mattys
mmattys at rochester.rr.com
Wed Jul 1 15:59:39 CDT 2009
I started watching at Dr. #2 (the best one IMO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz7e9kQ2-Uk - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > Who have a TV program in UK called Dr. Who. > > Exterminate...Exterminate...Exterminate > > In a very gravely voice by a alien (settle down Rocky!) called a Darlek. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who > > anyway, consider me assimilated. I am getting close to my "more time off" > situation, and I will then concentrate on Classes, et al. > > Max > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 01 July 2009 21:26 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones > > Additionally, much of what you build will be classes as well. > > Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Good point, Charlotte. >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >> Foust >> Sent: 01 July 2009 18:05 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >>> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER >> transition smoothly to .Net. >> >> I have to agree with that, John. EVERYTHING in .Net is an object, even >> a simple string. Everything has methods and properties, and you have to >> learn to work with them rather than just operate on them. >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >> >> Of course I agree with Charlotte, when you finally wrap your mind around >> classes, suddenly they become like a nail gun vs a hammer. But you have >> to really get there and that is the problem most people have. >> >> Imagine that you live a mile from town. You have always ridden a bike. >> It seems like that works quite well, after all you have always ridden a >> bike, and you cannot really imagine why you would need more. >> >> Then your friend lends you a car while he's on vacation for the month. >> Asks you to feed his cat and dog, check on his mother in the next town >> over. you drive, you run around, you haul stuff for his mom, you >> suddenly see that a car is a different breed of transportation from a >> bike. A bike works, but it is just a different breed. >> >> Until you actually use it, day in and day out, you just never >> appreciated how different it was and what it allowed you to do. >> >> There are things that you simply cannot reasonably do without classes. >> But until you have tried to do those things you cannot understand what >> they might possibly be. >> >> Let me give you an example, caching data. >> >> I use tables where the data doesn't change from month to month. These >> tables have hundreds of records, and yes, I could just set up things to >> seek etc to go through and find data in these tables. But I USE these >> tables to control whether specific tabs are displayed, whether certain >> subforms are allowed to load and so forth. I use these tables >> PROGRAMMATICALLY, in loops in programs where decisions are made etc. To >> try and seek to specific records then get certain fields would be >> several orders of magnitude slower than to simply load each record into >> a class, then load those record class instances into a collection, keyed >> on a common lookup field (what you would Find Next on or SEEK on). >> >> Record / record supervisor. Once I have these I can get at any field >> that I need (or specific fields that I need all of the time) and I can >> get at it INSTANTLY. >> >> Collections of classes keyed on a search data are something that you >> cannot even understand until you do it. Once you do it, the light bulb >> goes on. >> >> Goto http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.asp and click on the >> zipcode demo. You cannot do this kind of thing without classes. >> >> Click on the Openargs demo. You cannot do this without classes. >> >> I could swear I had another demo up there for SysVars. That is another >> thing you just can't do without classes (it is the cached record idea). >> >> I would never say that you can't be a very good, very successful >> developer without classes. I would say that once you understand and use >> them you will be in an entirely different league, because what you can >> do suddenly changes. >> >> I would also say that until you truly understand classes you will NEVER >> transition smoothly to .Net. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Max Wanadoo wrote: >>> Dan, you don't. I have been using access for donkey years...you DONT >>> need classes. Dont listen to the purists. Do what works for you.. >>> >>> Ignore the apple... >>> >>> Max >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte >>> Foust >>> Sent: 01 July 2009 16:22 >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>> No, Dan, you need lots of classes, but you only recognized the need >>> for one! LOL >>> >>> Charlotte Foust >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:17 AM >>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Skill Zones >>> >>> John, >>> >>> How about if I added in 'Large Scale Data Transformation'? From your >>> descriptions of what you do, that sounds reasonably concise. >>> >>> You're right - if you can do everything in the two lower zones and a >>> few things in the Pro Zone, then that's where you're working! I have >>> to make a confession - I've only written one class. But - I only >>> needed that one. >>> >>> Dan >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >