[AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

Steve

...wow

...you've bought the cake, the icing, the candles, and the serving tray 
...and if MS were willing, I'm sure you'd buy the recipe as well ...in gold 
flaked print no less.

...the simple fact is that MS moved the 2007 Access Development Team out of 
the SQL Server development domain and put it under the Office development 
domain ...and while we all cheered wildly that Access would no longer be 
constrained by the SQL Server gods, the reality is that the Office gods more 
than made up for the old SQL Server gods ...the Ribbon being the most 
obvious result ...its a piece of GUI sh*t Steve and no amount of heaping 
praise on MS is going to cover the stench.

...despite widespread and consistent yowling within the Access development 
community, Access 10 gives us MORE of the Ribbon, not less ...Access is no 
longer a developer focused tool, nor even a developer friendly tool imnsho 
...the simple fact that they gave developers no escape pod from all the 
Ribbon garbage proves their intent, all the apologists aside ...just look 
where all their development effort went in A2k7 and then look at the very 
long list of long standing well documented bugs that they didn't even bother 
to look at despite the reams of input from Access developers crying for 
fixes ...no, instead, they took their marching orders from the Office gods 
and focused on the gui and Office end-users ...MACROS for Christ's sake 
...give me a break, eh.

...long timers here are well aware that I've been very MS centric over the 
past decades and remain so ...but Access is now at long last the "Office" 
user focused database it was originally promoted as way back when and 
serious developers are just going to have to suck it up ...otoh, MS has 
created a wonderful development environment in Visual Studio that is a joy 
to work in, truly focused on and responsive to developer needs, and very 
developer friendly ...A2k3 is the last Access tool I'll ever use.

...for those few of you who think the ribbon is a great thing, fine ...you 
be happy with it ...I'm not and MS is stone cold deaf on the subject.

William

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From: "Steve Schapel" <miscellany at mvps.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:22 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

> Hi Max,
>
> Yes, I understand, and I have seen the problems that many people have had 
> in
> adapting to change, and recognising the value of the fantastic changes 
> that
> were given to us with Access 2007.
>
> I anticipate that in 10 years, my work will still be centred around Access
> development.  Maybe yours will be too.  If so, it is my fervent hope that 
> we
> will look back at this period, and feel gratitude to the Access team at
> Microsoft, for their willingness to take the hard and unpopular decisions 
> in
> order to keep Access current with the IT industry, create a product that 
> is
> unique in its scope of functionality, and provide Access with a future.
>
> We have to see Access 2007 as the first tentative steps in a major 
> movement
> towards Access 2010 and beyond, and sometimes tentative steps only make
> sense in retrospect.  But I don't think there is any secret about the fact
> that Microsoft is investing hugely in the future of Access, and I have a
> hunch they're getting it right.
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:09 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>
>> Steve FWIW, I am definitely PRO MS but anti Access 2007.
>>
>> Over the years MS has given the majority a stable site of platforms which
>> enables collaboration at various levels throughtout and across the World.
>> It has never been Un-Affordable although it must be said that costs were
>> never reduced once R&D and Profits Targets were reached - it would have
>> been
>> nice to the old-2-back versions at half price for those who didn't want
>> cutting edge.  But for me, MS has been a good thing.
>>
>> What I dislike mostly about A2007 is that, in real development terms, it
>> has
>> bought nothing to the table.  It has remove interfaces that have, in some
>> cases, taken years to hone and perfect, and all for the God "Looks".  It
>> is
>> functionality and benefits that count and these are beyond the scope of
>> end-users - complex, behind the scene coding has to be done to make it
>> "perform" in a real tough business sense.  EG. What did the Ribbon bring
>> to
>> the table for a developer producing a MR2 manufacturing solution? 
>> Answer:
>> a
>> lot of heartache to re-write existing code for no other reason than the
>> interface has changed.
>>
>
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