[AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

Well, it isn't quite that simple.  Leave the menus alone (or at least provide a switch to get them 
back), leave the database tabs alone, THEN we developers could have slid right in and started to 
work learning all the new stuff.

Steve, you may claim 2007 being a shiny new car full of great goodies but what you have to 
understand is that to the DEVELOPER... none of that shiny new crap matters.  I have existing 
projects many years old.  Every inch of screen real estate is used.  The pretty toolbar is neither 
wanted nor needed.

And yet... Microsoft imposes it on us and is absolutely silent (officially) on how to turn it off. 
Does that sound "developer friendly" to you?  They completely scramble where all of the stuff is 
found.  Developers have to work in whatever environment the client is in, which means (now) learning 
a completely new environment just for Access 2007.  And what does all this rearrangement give THE 
DEVELOPER?  Absolutely nothing but headaches.  Does that sound developer friendly to you?

Everyone on this list makes a living in some way from Microsoft and Access.  I see very little 
Microsoft bashing here.  Saying that MS is ignoring the developer community's wishes is not bashing, 
it is just the plain and simple truth.

They are ignoring our wishes!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Steve, If MS had of put a switch in there RibbonOn/RibbonOff and left it at
> that, then developers could merely have turned it off until they needed,
> converted to A2007 with all their existing code and interfaces and life
> would have been so happy.  But what they done was FORCE it upon us.  It
> takes years to be proficient on new "stuff" and only comes if it is common
> everyday frequent use.  You cannot become proficient by doing a 2-3 week
> course or dabbling in it now and again.
> 
> I define proficient when I can sit down and write code to do all the basic
> stuff without ever having to look at previous code.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
> Sent: 27 June 2009 10:22
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
> 
> Hi Max,
> 
> Yes, I understand, and I have seen the problems that many people have had in
> 
> adapting to change, and recognising the value of the fantastic changes that 
> were given to us with Access 2007.
> 
> I anticipate that in 10 years, my work will still be centred around Access 
> development.  Maybe yours will be too.  If so, it is my fervent hope that we
> 
> will look back at this period, and feel gratitude to the Access team at 
> Microsoft, for their willingness to take the hard and unpopular decisions in
> 
> order to keep Access current with the IT industry, create a product that is 
> unique in its scope of functionality, and provide Access with a future.
> 
> We have to see Access 2007 as the first tentative steps in a major movement 
> towards Access 2010 and beyond, and sometimes tentative steps only make 
> sense in retrospect.  But I don't think there is any secret about the fact 
> that Microsoft is investing hugely in the future of Access, and I have a 
> hunch they're getting it right.
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:09 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
> 
>> Steve FWIW, I am definitely PRO MS but anti Access 2007.
>>
>> Over the years MS has given the majority a stable site of platforms which
>> enables collaboration at various levels throughtout and across the World.
>> It has never been Un-Affordable although it must be said that costs were
>> never reduced once R&D and Profits Targets were reached - it would have 
>> been
>> nice to the old-2-back versions at half price for those who didn't want
>> cutting edge.  But for me, MS has been a good thing.
>>
>> What I dislike mostly about A2007 is that, in real development terms, it 
>> has
>> bought nothing to the table.  It has remove interfaces that have, in some
>> cases, taken years to hone and perfect, and all for the God "Looks".  It 
>> is
>> functionality and benefits that count and these are beyond the scope of
>> end-users - complex, behind the scene coding has to be done to make it
>> "perform" in a real tough business sense.  EG. What did the Ribbon bring 
>> to
>> the table for a developer producing a MR2 manufacturing solution?  Answer:
> 
>> a
>> lot of heartache to re-write existing code for no other reason than the
>> interface has changed.
>>
>  
>