[AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

William Hindman wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Mon Jun 29 08:28:48 CDT 2009


...I second that emotion.

William

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From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:19 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

> Boy is THAT well said.
>
> And that is the problem, Access is being gussified to sell it to the 
> masses, not fixed to sell it to
> business who use it.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> William:
>>
>> Thanks for that link.
>>
>> Everybody (most all, anyway) keep referring to new FEATURES.  I am more
>> interested in BENEFITS.  Any sales person will tell you that to make a 
>> sale
>> you have to show the customer/client what BENEFITS the new features will
>> bring to his business.
>>
>> IMO, features are useful to make initial sales to those who only have a
>> "general feel for what they want and *think* that the list of benefits 
>> will
>> do the job".  It is also useful for more experienced people who think 
>> that
>> their business strategy will sit well with the new look/feel and will be
>> moving their product onto the new platform.  For the Business Client who 
>> is
>> paying for a developed package and who probably never touches a computer
>> apart from letters and emails, the database driven backend is completely
>> immaterial.  This type of client is only concerned with run-times,
>> throughput and output.  He does not want his staff to sit there "playing'
>> with the features.  He wants them to do what he is paying them to do.
>>
>> Unless BENEFITS are open, obvious and cost-effective they are meaningless 
>> to
>> developers.  They cannot be leveraged on their existing business model
>> because they do not deliver anything that can be passed on to the client 
>> and
>> for which the client is willing to pay.
>>
>> IMO
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: 29 June 2009 10:01
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>
>> Shamil
>>
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/tags/Access+14/default.aspx
>>
>> ...that's the Access 14 team manager's blog.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:41 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> I have heard there are should be many new features in MS Access 2010 - 
>>> is
>>> that information on "What's new in MS Access 2010" already available
>>> somewhere?
>>>
>>> Don't take "attacks" on your opinion on MS Access 2007 pros&cons too 
>>> close
>>> to yourself - such "attacks" is a usual way to discuss "hot" topics 
>>> here -
>>> welcome to the club! :)
>>>
>>> As for MS listening or not to MS Access (VBA) developers: they are
>>> listening
>>> I think but they apply a strong "noise filter" on what they hear - and
>>> that
>>> filter does very probably filter out many things advanced MS Access 
>>> (VBA)
>>> developers urge for but MS finds them to be irrelevant to their own
>>> business...
>>>
>>> Microsoft do you hear me? :)
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:28 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>>
>>> Darryl,
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Darryl Collins" <Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:31 PM
>>>
>>>> ... I hope you are backing the right horse here Steve.
>>> Thanks very much for your comments.  As you know, we are rapidly
>>> approaching
>>>
>>> the release of the next version.  Access 2007 was always going to be an
>>> interim measure, as a step moving towards new paradigms.  I will have a
>>> better idea whether I'm backing the right horse after we have built some
>>> Access 2010 apps.
>>>
>>>> MS Access has been on the edge before and I think it is now again.
>>> Ever since I first started using Access in 1994, there have been 
>>> vehement
>>> claims in one quarter or another that Access is dead, Microsoft is
>>> dropping
>>> Access, X and Y are better than Access, etc.  I don't know about "on the
>>> edge", but really a turning point.  What I think will happen is that 
>>> those
>>> who abandon Access because of the new directions, will be replaced by
>>> others
>>>
>>> who embrace it and move forward with it.
>>>
>>> If you're one of those who moves to other technologies, I understand the
>>> reasons, and have no criticism, and I hope there is nothing I have said 
>>> to
>>> imply otherwise.  I wish you well with that.  But for me, at this stage 
>>> it
>>> looks like I will be sticking with Access for the long haul.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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