jwcolby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Mon Jun 29 09:05:53 CDT 2009
And I have to believe that if you whine too loudly, they take away your MVP status, thus the feedback loop gets tighter. Notice there is a whole lot of toeing the company line. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com William Hindman wrote: > ...the problem I suspect is that its people like Steve that are providing > the only feedback MS listens to > ...he's an MVP (a good thing) and thus is on the short list when MS wants > input from "REAL" developers > ...and as far as he is concerned, there is no problem ...only whining > ...its a self-perpetuating feedback loop, it is :( > > William the Whiner > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:36 AM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 > >> LOL. Nope! >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> William Hindman wrote: >>> "as the thing about Access 2007 to whine about" Steve >>> >>> ...sigh ...you really don't get it, do you >>> >>> William >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Steve Schapel" <miscellany at mvps.org> >>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:23 AM >>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 >>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> I am very sorry, I have obviously misunderstood you. When you said "the >>>> developer environment that got totally screwed around", I thought you >>>> were >>>> referring to the "silly friggin toolbar". As a result of which, I >>>> though >>>> you'd gone balmy kicking up such a fuss about such a little thing. So I >>>> apologise for the misunderstanding. I have seen a lot of people focus >>>> on >>>> the ribbon as the thing about Access 2007 to whine about, and I'm afraid >>>> I >>>> jumped to conclusions and lumped you in with that lot. Sorry. >>>> >>>> Now, what *do* you mean by "the developer environment"? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:19 PM >>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007 >>>> >>>>> Steve, >>>>> >>>>> You still aren't listening. I don't CARE about the ribbon (except how >>>>> to >>>>> turn it off). I care >>>>> about the stupid crap you have to jump through to be a developer. The >>>>> needless rearrangement of the >>>>> entire environment. >>>>> >>>>> I repeat, YOU (and MS) AREN'T LISTENING. My clients hire me to develop >>>>> applications. Toolbars are >>>>> for power users to interact with OFFICE AS THE APPLICATION, not to >>>>> interact with an application >>>>> based on Access. My clients don't use icons AT ALL. They are in >>>>> forms, >>>>> they enter data IN FORMS, >>>>> they run reports. They interact with the APPLICATION that I develop, >>>>> not >>>>> with ACCESS. >>>>> >>>>> YOU (and MS) AREN'T LISTENING TO ME (or anyone else on this list or the >>>>> developer world at large). >>>>> >>>>> LISTEN STEVE, GET WHAT I SAY. >>>>> >>>>> My clients have APPLICATIONS which fill the entire screen. I have been >>>>> asking my clients to FORCE >>>>> their users to move up to 1024 x 768. They are STUCK at 800 x 600. >>>>> They >>>>> have gone out and bought >>>>> bigger screens, ALL of their screens are now at least 17" (up from 14" >>>>> and >>>>> 15") many are 19" but >>>>> their users want the extra size to help them SEE better, not give the >>>>> application more screen real >>>>> estate. Now Access comes along and spends a ton of time and resources >>>>> on >>>>> a stupid toolbar which (If >>>>> I developed there) I would PROMPTLY turn off because my forms take up >>>>> the >>>>> entire screen as it is. >>>>> >>>>> Steve, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the toolbar is >>>>> simply irrelevant. NONE of my >>>>> clients care, at all. Not even one little bit. If they don't care, I >>>>> don't care. >>>>> >>>>> And yet obviously it is the world to you (and MS)? Obviously YOU like >>>>> it? >>>>> Because while we have >>>>> been discussing EVERYTHING EXCEPT the toolbar, the toolbar is the only >>>>> thing you will discuss. Not >>>>> the bug list that never gets addressed. Not the developer environment >>>>> that got totally screwed >>>>> around. Not Microsoft's arrogant "we don't give a damn what the >>>>> developers are saying" attitude. >>>>> >>>>> THE SILLY FRIGGIN TOOLBAR! >>>>> >>>>> I am not surmising anything, it is totally irrelevant to me. My >>>>> clients >>>>> aren't asking me to do 2007 >>>>> and so I am not. Access 2007 is being positioned as a "power toy" and >>>>> I >>>>> am a developer. Access >>>>> 2007 is all about pretty tool bars that don't matter. >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>> signature database 4194 (20090628) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >