[AccessD] Poll on Access 2007

jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Mon Jun 29 09:05:53 CDT 2009


And I have to believe that if you whine too loudly, they take away your MVP status, thus the 
feedback loop gets tighter.  Notice there is a whole lot of toeing the company line.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...the problem I suspect is that its people like Steve that are providing 
> the only feedback MS listens to
> ...he's an MVP (a good thing) and thus is on the short list when MS wants 
> input from "REAL" developers
> ...and as far as he is concerned, there is no problem ...only whining
> ...its a self-perpetuating feedback loop, it is :(
> 
> William the Whiner
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:36 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
> 
>> LOL.  Nope!
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> William Hindman wrote:
>>> "as the thing about Access 2007 to whine about" Steve
>>>
>>> ...sigh ...you really don't get it, do you
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Steve Schapel" <miscellany at mvps.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:23 AM
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I am very sorry, I have obviously misunderstood you. When you said "the
>>>> developer environment that got totally screwed around", I thought you 
>>>> were
>>>> referring to the "silly friggin toolbar".  As a result of which, I 
>>>> though
>>>> you'd gone balmy kicking up such a fuss about such a little thing.  So I
>>>> apologise for the misunderstanding.  I have seen a lot of people focus 
>>>> on
>>>> the ribbon as the thing about Access 2007 to whine about, and I'm afraid 
>>>> I
>>>> jumped to conclusions and lumped you in with that lot.  Sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Now, what *do* you mean by "the developer environment"?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:19 PM
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll on Access 2007
>>>>
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> You still aren't listening.  I don't CARE about the ribbon (except how 
>>>>> to
>>>>> turn it off).  I care
>>>>> about the stupid crap you have to jump through to be a developer.  The
>>>>> needless rearrangement of the
>>>>> entire environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I repeat, YOU (and MS) AREN'T LISTENING.  My clients hire me to develop
>>>>> applications.  Toolbars are
>>>>> for power users to interact with OFFICE AS THE APPLICATION, not to
>>>>> interact with an application
>>>>> based on Access.  My clients don't use icons AT ALL.  They are in 
>>>>> forms,
>>>>> they enter data IN FORMS,
>>>>> they run reports.  They interact with the APPLICATION that I develop, 
>>>>> not
>>>>> with ACCESS.
>>>>>
>>>>> YOU (and MS) AREN'T LISTENING TO ME (or anyone else on this list or the
>>>>> developer world at large).
>>>>>
>>>>> LISTEN STEVE, GET WHAT I SAY.
>>>>>
>>>>> My clients have APPLICATIONS which fill the entire screen.  I have been
>>>>> asking my clients to FORCE
>>>>> their users to move up to 1024 x 768.  They are STUCK at 800 x 600. 
>>>>> They
>>>>> have gone out and bought
>>>>> bigger screens, ALL of their screens are now at least 17" (up from 14"
>>>>> and
>>>>> 15") many are 19" but
>>>>> their users want the extra size to help them SEE better, not give the
>>>>> application more screen real
>>>>> estate.  Now Access comes along and spends a ton of time and resources 
>>>>> on
>>>>> a stupid toolbar which (If
>>>>> I developed there) I would PROMPTLY turn off because my forms take up 
>>>>> the
>>>>> entire screen as it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the toolbar is
>>>>> simply irrelevant.  NONE of my
>>>>> clients care, at all.  Not even one little bit.  If they don't care, I
>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet obviously it is the world to you (and MS)?  Obviously YOU like
>>>>> it?
>>>>> Because while we have
>>>>> been discussing EVERYTHING EXCEPT the toolbar, the toolbar is the only
>>>>> thing you will discuss.  Not
>>>>> the bug list that never gets addressed.  Not the developer environment
>>>>> that got totally screwed
>>>>> around.   Not Microsoft's arrogant "we don't give a damn what the
>>>>> developers are saying" attitude.
>>>>>
>>>>> THE SILLY FRIGGIN TOOLBAR!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not surmising anything, it is totally irrelevant to me.  My 
>>>>> clients
>>>>> aren't asking me to do 2007
>>>>> and so I am not.  Access 2007 is being positioned as a "power toy" and 
>>>>> I
>>>>> am a developer.  Access
>>>>> 2007 is all about pretty tool bars that don't matter.
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