[AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Poll on Access2007)

Dan Waters dwaters at usinternet.com
Mon Jun 29 09:13:21 CDT 2009


Hi Shamil - 

I agree with you on MS business model.  I think they've realized that to
plan for many years ahead to maintain two separate, but not that different
(VB.Net vs. VBA), programming methodologies isn't in their long-term
business interest.  Everyone should remember that MS has discontinued
issuing new licenses for VBA.

MS is a profit-seeking company, so they will change as needed to get the
most they can.  I think the reason we get upset with them is that they are
the only choice we have, so we believe that we are entitled to have a say,
like we do with the government.  If MS was a smaller company, we'd just say,
"That's business!"

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Poll on
Access2007)

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... .net turned out not to be  all that hard to learn even 
for an old codger like me ...
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Hi William,

Maybe that was/is a Microsoft's "secret" plan? I mean to gradually "replace"
MS Access RAD tools with .NET Framework and VS (VB.NET/C#) with the latter
being not that hard to learn, and with the former having rather expensive
upgrade costs? :)

MS business model is definitely very strong
(http://www.insearchofstupidity.com/ ) - they (MS) are rarely doing things,
which do not pay back manifold - if they (MS) decide they can ignore
opinions and customers of "old codgers" who do not want to switch to MS
modern development tools why they (MS) should care and risk investing in
technologies, which will not bring them good profits? That sound cynical,
yes, but that's how things are looking from here. And again they (MS) do
help advanced VBA developers to switch to use the modern development tools
by making those tools much easier to do the software development than MS
Access VBA even did...

I'm not defending MS - "don't kill me please" :) - I'm just trying to be
realistic as MS is I suppose - if they wouldn't be realistic (and cynical?)
they would have got already out of business as many other software companies
did...

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Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Poll on
Access2007)

Dan

...everyone is different ...look at the monster machines jc's clients pay 
him to play with :)

...my road to VS was through the web ...a major client wanted to convert his

website from static html to a data driven one using the data in his Access 
app ...I wanted no part of web work being perfectly happy working with 
Access, so I recruited another AccessD'r I knew did web work to do it ...but

then the client's ISP got real picky about some dlls that he wanted to use 
and the client got antsy about turning his data over to a third party ...so 
I wound up doing it myself ...never again.

...I bought a 3rd party tool that was supposed to be the end all in Asp 
development ...big mistake ...I got the site running but just barely ...so 
in desperation I turned to the new VS5 Express tool that MS had just 
released ...it was free after all ...and I've never looked back ...the VS 
Web Developer Express Edition was a joy to use and .net turned out not to be

all that hard to learn even for an old codger like me ...and the client was 
happy.

...as for Access app conversion to VS, you have to understand that I'm on 
retainer with most of my clients and pretty free to experiment ...so when a 
client's office manager choked on the Office 2007 upgrade changes I started 
moving his apps ...still on A2k3 with a lot of his stuff but the new stuff 
in VS has him smiling (and his office manager) ...then another client wanted

a major upgrade and I sold him on VS8 vs A2K7 and so far so good ...the 
majority of my work is still in A2k3 but now I can demo apps in both and the

sell on VS8 vs A2k7 is pretty easy

...I focus on the roi in VS and SQL Server Express vs the costs of upgrading

to 2007 ...a ten employee office upgrading to O2007 is looking at a lot of 
money invested in training and conversion costs (jc isn't exaggerating the 
screen real estate problems and training issues at all) ...and in my case, 
it doesn't cost them a great deal more to go the VS route and they end up 
with a lot more flexibility ...things they just could not do with Access and

Office are now just a matter of how badly do they want it.

...I'm a long way from being proficient in VS8 Pro or SQL Server but its 
like back in the days with Access 2 ...you look, you ask, you try and 
eventually something works ...and every so often the light bulb gets a dim 
glow :)

...hth

William

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