[AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Pollon Access2 007)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rusty Hammond 
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Pollon
Access2007)

I guess I don't see the upgrade costs to Access 2007 as a problem for the
client.  With the 2007 runtime being a free download, I'm the only one that
needs to upgrade to Access 2007.  

I do agree there is a lot more cost to me in time spent getting up to speed
on/converting to 2007 and that's hard to go to the client and say "it took
me X number of hours to figure out how to to do this in the new version, so
I'm going to bill you for that" when they already have a working application
in 2003.  So as a developer I have to decide where my time is best spent,
learning .Net or Access 2007.

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Pollon
Access2007)

Hi William,

A Retainer . . .  Excellent!  I could only wish.

The argument of upgrade to VB.Net vs. upgrade to next version of Access is a
good one.  I'm also finding that some of my customers who didn't originally
plan to expand beyond their LAN, now want other company branches to use the
system on their WAN.  So do we use Access on Citrix or Access/ADP or VB.Net?
My suggestion will be VB.Net to avoid future Access upgrade cost and also
uncertainty of the Access changes that MS will be making.

Thanks!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Poll on
Access2007)

Dan

...everyone is different ...look at the monster machines jc's clients pay
him to play with :)

...my road to VS was through the web ...a major client wanted to convert his

website from static html to a data driven one using the data in his Access
app ...I wanted no part of web work being perfectly happy working with
Access, so I recruited another AccessD'r I knew did web work to do it ...but

then the client's ISP got real picky about some dlls that he wanted to use
and the client got antsy about turning his data over to a third party ...so
I wound up doing it myself ...never again.

...I bought a 3rd party tool that was supposed to be the end all in Asp
development ...big mistake ...I got the site running but just barely ...so
in desperation I turned to the new VS5 Express tool that MS had just
released ...it was free after all ...and I've never looked back ...the VS
Web Developer Express Edition was a joy to use and .net turned out not to be

all that hard to learn even for an old codger like me ...and the client was
happy.

...as for Access app conversion to VS, you have to understand that I'm on
retainer with most of my clients and pretty free to experiment ...so when a
client's office manager choked on the Office 2007 upgrade changes I started
moving his apps ...still on A2k3 with a lot of his stuff but the new stuff
in VS has him smiling (and his office manager) ...then another client wanted

a major upgrade and I sold him on VS8 vs A2K7 and so far so good ...the
majority of my work is still in A2k3 but now I can demo apps in both and the

sell on VS8 vs A2k7 is pretty easy

...I focus on the roi in VS and SQL Server Express vs the costs of upgrading

to 2007 ...a ten employee office upgrading to O2007 is looking at a lot of
money invested in training and conversion costs (jc isn't exaggerating the
screen real estate problems and training issues at all) ...and in my case,
it doesn't cost them a great deal more to go the VS route and they end up
with a lot more flexibility ...things they just could not do with Access and

Office are now just a matter of how badly do they want it.

...I'm a long way from being proficient in VS8 Pro or SQL Server but its
like back in the days with Access 2 ...you look, you ask, you try and
eventually something works ...and every so often the light bulb gets a dim
glow :)

...hth

William


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