William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Mon Jun 29 15:44:41 CDT 2009
Jim ...the only Office automation I was ever guilty of was Word merges and e-mail which can be done with .net. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:16 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net(was: Pollon Access2007)> Hi Rusty: > > Tough decision...build a stand-alone database in .Net and forget office > automation or stick with a dying product to be able to provide that > integration? > > If only MS would build .Net into Office and provide a temp fix, upgrade or > conversion process. Now it is one or other. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:41 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Pollon Access2 > 007) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rusty Hammond > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:37 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Pollon > Access2007) > > I guess I don't see the upgrade costs to Access 2007 as a problem for the > client. With the 2007 runtime being a free download, I'm the only one > that > needs to upgrade to Access 2007. > > I do agree there is a lot more cost to me in time spent getting up to > speed > on/converting to 2007 and that's hard to go to the client and say "it took > me X number of hours to figure out how to to do this in the new version, > so > I'm going to bill you for that" when they already have a working > application > in 2003. So as a developer I have to decide where my time is best spent, > learning .Net or Access 2007. > > Rusty > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:21 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Pollon > Access2007) > > Hi William, > > A Retainer . . . Excellent! I could only wish. > > The argument of upgrade to VB.Net vs. upgrade to next version of Access is > a > good one. I'm also finding that some of my customers who didn't > originally > plan to expand beyond their LAN, now want other company branches to use > the > system on their WAN. So do we use Access on Citrix or Access/ADP or > VB.Net? > My suggestion will be VB.Net to avoid future Access upgrade cost and also > uncertainty of the Access changes that MS will be making. > > Thanks! > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:23 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Converting Customers to VB.Net (was: Poll on > Access2007) > > Dan > > ...everyone is different ...look at the monster machines jc's clients pay > him to play with :) > > ...my road to VS was through the web ...a major client wanted to convert > his > > website from static html to a data driven one using the data in his Access > app ...I wanted no part of web work being perfectly happy working with > Access, so I recruited another AccessD'r I knew did web work to do it > ...but > > then the client's ISP got real picky about some dlls that he wanted to use > and the client got antsy about turning his data over to a third party > ...so > I wound up doing it myself ...never again. > > ...I bought a 3rd party tool that was supposed to be the end all in Asp > development ...big mistake ...I got the site running but just barely ...so > in desperation I turned to the new VS5 Express tool that MS had just > released ...it was free after all ...and I've never looked back ...the VS > Web Developer Express Edition was a joy to use and .net turned out not to > be > > all that hard to learn even for an old codger like me ...and the client > was > happy. > > ...as for Access app conversion to VS, you have to understand that I'm on > retainer with most of my clients and pretty free to experiment ...so when > a > client's office manager choked on the Office 2007 upgrade changes I > started > moving his apps ...still on A2k3 with a lot of his stuff but the new stuff > in VS has him smiling (and his office manager) ...then another client > wanted > > a major upgrade and I sold him on VS8 vs A2K7 and so far so good ...the > majority of my work is still in A2k3 but now I can demo apps in both and > the > > sell on VS8 vs A2k7 is pretty easy > > ...I focus on the roi in VS and SQL Server Express vs the costs of > upgrading > > to 2007 ...a ten employee office upgrading to O2007 is looking at a lot of > money invested in training and conversion costs (jc isn't exaggerating the > screen real estate problems and training issues at all) ...and in my case, > it doesn't cost them a great deal more to go the VS route and they end up > with a lot more flexibility ...things they just could not do with Access > and > > Office are now just a matter of how badly do they want it. > > ...I'm a long way from being proficient in VS8 Pro or SQL Server but its > like back in the days with Access 2 ...you look, you ask, you try and > eventually something works ...and every so often the light bulb gets a dim > glow :) > > ...hth > > William > > > ********************************************************************** > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. > ********************************************************************** > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >