[AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)

William Hindman wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Sun Mar 1 00:45:28 CST 2009


...excellent post link ...I think we've all met waitresses like that 
...they're few and far between unfortunately.

William

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From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:47 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD]Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)

> Thank you, William,
>
> Yes, I can understand that. At least I can expect your participating in 
> some project planning/evaluation, which would take something like half an 
> hour - hour within a month? - such experience would help you I think in 
> your own work...
>
> BTW, I have just got online evidence I have been there in Helsinki :)
>
> http://danube.com/blog/tobias_mayer/ambling_madly_5_helsinki_scrum_dining
>
> Have nice weekend.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:25:09 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)
>
>> Shamil
>>
>> "May I ask you all why Gustav and myself can't get a group of 5 team
>> members?"
>>
>> ...I'm 62 yo and have worked as a single developer for the past 15 years
>> ...SCRUM is focused on something I'm very unlikely to ever use ...and
>> fortunately, I'm still so loaded down between development work and 
>> building
>> our home that I simply have no time available for anything that I don't
>> foresee using myself ...I do wish I was 20 years younger and could find 
>> the
>> time and energy to learn something new from people like you and gustav 
>> just
>> for the hell of it ...but I'm not and that's the long and short of it.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:48 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD]Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)
>>
>> >
>> > Hi Gustav,
>> >
>> > Thank you for registering.
>> >
>> > Yes, I agree that at this moment 5 users limitations seems of no
>> > importance.
>> >
>> > Anybody else wanted to join me and Gustav to try MS Access Northwind to
>> > .NET Winforms Northwind conversion project?
>> > Project is currently planned to be started at 9th of March 2009, and is
>> > expected to be finished in max 1 man month of common efforts.
>> > Conversion is planned to be done using SCRUM/agile development 
>> > methology.
>> > It will be public open source project with project progress information
>> > and final converted application published on AccessD.
>> > This is planned to be as simple as possible project - the only 
>> > knowledge
>> > of VS2008 that would be needed at the beginning is how to design .NET
>> > WinForms by dragginbg and dropping controls and settings some 
>> > properties.
>> > And this development activity is simple - my seven years old kid 
>> > started
>> > to "design" WinForms after 2 minutes of my introduction, and he even
>> > "programmed" buttons' click events reaction etc. Really easy and very 
>> > much
>> > alike to the usual MS Access forms development.
>> >
>> > .NET ReportViewer Control reports' design experience would be a plus 
>> > but
>> > not necessary as it's also rather straightforward to get acquanted with
>> > for experienced developers whatever else Report Designer they used
>> > before...
>> >
>> > Folks, if you can't join this project because you're very busy maybe 
>> > you
>> > can at least participate in the "planning poker game"? There is a free
>> > online tool to play it: http://www.planningpoker.com/
>> >
>> > May I ask yuu all why Gustav and myself can't get a group of 5 team
>> > members?
>> >
>> > If you do not want to answer on this question here please send me 
>> > private
>> > e-mails with your reasons - just one most important reason or several, 
>> > and
>> > I will collect them and publish here anonymously. And I can make an
>> > anonymous online poll based on that reasons to vote and see what are 
>> > main
>> > reasons, which stop such projects. Please write and send ANY reasons 
>> > which
>> > stop you from participating in this discussion/project.
>> >
>> > I will wait for your votes/e-mails till next Wednesday as it's weekend 
>> > now
>> > and not all listers work over weekend. I do hope somebody will join us
>> > during the next week.
>> >
>> > In the meantime I will be preparing infrastructure, and some simple 
>> > tools
>> > to patially automate this conversion, and I will have also to work for 
>> > my
>> > customers of course...
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Shamil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:43:11 +0100
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)
>> >
>> >> Hi Shamil
>> >>
>> >> OK, I signed up.
>> >>
>> >> As for the software, the TargetProcess "community edition" will only 
>> >> do
>> >> be free for 5 licenses. If more users, it is USD 249 for each and 
>> >> every
>> >> user:
>> >>
>> >> Q. What if I need 6 users pack?
>> >> In this case it will be required to purchase 6 full licenses. 
>> >> Community
>> >> Edition allows to have 5 licenses, if you need more, you have to 
>> >> migrate
>> >> to On-Site or On-Demand Full Edition.
>> >>
>> >> However, at this moment this limitation seems of no importance.
>> >>
>> >> /gustav
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 28-02-2009 15:43 >>>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Gustav and Fellow Listers,
>> >>
>> >> Yes, the response on my proposal is a bit discouraging but I'm 
>> >> continuing
>> >> preparation here for the conversion project of MS Access NorthWind 
>> >> sample
>> >> app to .NET WinForms.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, Gustav, we can try to do it just with you but SCRUM/agile process
>> >> needs a little bit more team members - at least 4-5: if doing this
>> >> project by using just your and mine efforts it can be done agile way 
>> >> but
>> >> not SCRUM, and it will take more time, and what is most important it 
>> >> will
>> >> not show advantages of working as a team - and the advantages in this
>> >> case is not only joining the efforts and skills - the main advantage 
>> >> is
>> >> to experience how teamwork influences one's own views and insights - 
>> >> and
>> >> it does influence then very effectively - I mean that - I have just
>> >> experienced that during CSM course in Helsinki. Even participating for
>> >> years in great dicussion lists as this AccessD one do not change one's
>> >> stereotypes and (conservative) ways of thinking as SCRUM/agile 
>> >> teamwork
>> >> does...
>> >>
>> >> I plan to keep preparing SCRUM/agile infrastructure for the Northwind
>> >> conversion project within the next week - in my plans is to setup DNN
>> >> site - first step is done:
>> >>
>> >> http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/dnn49
>> >>
>> >> nothing except registration there yet but it's up&running - I "just" 
>> >> need
>> >> to add some DNN modules - do not know how to do that yet - plan to do
>> >> that within the next week - I can keep posting SCRUM related info on 
>> >> this
>> >> site as well as we can have wiki board on it to have "daily stand-up
>> >> meetings" as well as I can setup newlist on it to have everybody
>> >> registered and subscribed to this newlist informed on what is 
>> >> happening.
>> >> Of course it will be forwarded here - the best woudl be to have 
>> >> separate
>> >> SCRUM%Access-D list but it's probably too early?
>> >>
>> >> I'm also evaluating this software
>> >>
>> >> http://www.targetprocess.com/Product.aspx
>> >>
>> >> to have our project tasks and their completion progress status easily
>> >> manageable and viewvable by every team member. I also expect (they 
>> >> talk
>> >> about integration with CVS but I haven't yet evaluated how it's done)
>> >> this software will allow to keep distributed source control for the 
>> >> team.
>> >> This software seems to have a free community edition and if that is 
>> >> true
>> >> then I can install it on my ASP.NET hosting web site.
>> >>
>> >> Please everybody interested help me to evaluate how useful it is for 
>> >> our
>> >> purposes.
>> >> If you can find any better ASP.NET alternatives that woull be very
>> >> useful.
>> >>
>> >> I persoally like a lot this Team Taskboard of SCRUMWorks software:
>> >>
>> >> http://danube.com/sw_flash/feature/features-team_taskboard.html
>> >>
>> >> but this software is JAVA based and a "black-box" for me - I'd not use 
>> >> it
>> >> because of that.
>> >>
>> >> I'm currently spending considerably more than one hour here to prepare
>> >> all that - I can't ask to spend that much time you or other AcceessD
>> >> members but when everything ready I'd propose to strickly keep the
>> >> context of spending not more than one hour (5 hours total per week) 
>> >> for
>> >> this project. Well, maybe some more time discussing here how it will 
>> >> be
>> >> proceeding...
>> >>
>> >> I'd set 9th of Macrh 2009 as the start date for this project - OK? - 
>> >> if
>> >> nobody will join us by that date we will try to do it together with 
>> >> you.
>> >> Everybody are welcome! If to not participate in this project by doing
>> >> some simple .NET forms design/program then at least to help us to
>> >> evaluate how much this or that feature/task will take to get 
>> >> implemented.
>> >> This is so called "estimation using planning poker cards" -
>> >> http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker - doing such an estimation by two
>> >> people could result in not so good results as when it's done by 5 or 
>> >> more
>> >> people.
>> >>
>> >> Here are some links on SCRUM/agile and related issues - I will keep
>> >> posting links like that to get convinced some more AccessD members to
>> >> join our project:
>> >>
>> >> Tobias Mayer - my facilitator during SCRUM course there in Helsinki:
>> >> http://www.danube.com/blog/tobias_mayer/
>> >>
>> >> Agile software development info:
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development
>> >>
>> >> Scale Back: Small is Beautiful - how group evaluation/planning results 
>> >> in
>> >> simple but very good results:
>> >> http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/08/18/scale-back-small-is-beautiful
>> >>
>> >> Extreme Scrum (154KB)
>> >> https://www-927.ibm.com/ibm/cas/archives/2007/data/Agile/Extreme_Scrum.pdf
>> >>
>> >> What happens when we are all connected - Future Views
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqPs0xuG39Q (~6 min)
>> >>
>> >> "Only 3% of the world is on broadband today, and it's neither cheap, 
>> >> fast
>> >> or mobile enough. This will change in the next 2-3 years, and the
>> >> implications are huge: everyone shares, everyone networks with
>> >> strangers-like-me, everyone co-creates, everything is connected. A 
>> >> video
>> >> by Futurist and Author Gerd Leonhard"
>> >>
>> >> Working on SCRUM/Agile infrastructure here/expecting for more AccessD 
>> >> to
>> >> connect this project...
>> >>
>> >> Please comment on this my posting - all and every comments and
>> >> contributions are very welcome!
>> >>
>> >> Thank you.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Shamil
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
>> >> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:10:00 +0100
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Shamil
>> >> >
>> >> > Not much response to your proposal ... I guess our fellow listers 
>> >> > are
>> >> > too busy or just don't feel the need to experience how to work in a
>> >> > group.
>> >> > To be honest, neither do I have currently that need but as "you 
>> >> > never
>> >> > know" I am prepared to allocate the time you suggest. That makes 
>> >> > two.
>> >> > But two? Doesn't it require three "to make a crowd"?
>> >> >
>> >> > Your adjusted description of the project fits me very well.
>> >> >
>> >> > /gustav
>> >>
>> >>
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