William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Sun Mar 1 00:45:28 CST 2009
...excellent post link ...I think we've all met waitresses like that ...they're few and far between unfortunately. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:47 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD]Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) > Thank you, William, > > Yes, I can understand that. At least I can expect your participating in > some project planning/evaluation, which would take something like half an > hour - hour within a month? - such experience would help you I think in > your own work... > > BTW, I have just got online evidence I have been there in Helsinki :) > > http://danube.com/blog/tobias_mayer/ambling_madly_5_helsinki_scrum_dining > > Have nice weekend. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem > solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:25:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) > >> Shamil >> >> "May I ask you all why Gustav and myself can't get a group of 5 team >> members?" >> >> ...I'm 62 yo and have worked as a single developer for the past 15 years >> ...SCRUM is focused on something I'm very unlikely to ever use ...and >> fortunately, I'm still so loaded down between development work and >> building >> our home that I simply have no time available for anything that I don't >> foresee using myself ...I do wish I was 20 years younger and could find >> the >> time and energy to learn something new from people like you and gustav >> just >> for the hell of it ...but I'm not and that's the long and short of it. >> >> William >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:48 PM >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD]Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) >> >> > >> > Hi Gustav, >> > >> > Thank you for registering. >> > >> > Yes, I agree that at this moment 5 users limitations seems of no >> > importance. >> > >> > Anybody else wanted to join me and Gustav to try MS Access Northwind to >> > .NET Winforms Northwind conversion project? >> > Project is currently planned to be started at 9th of March 2009, and is >> > expected to be finished in max 1 man month of common efforts. >> > Conversion is planned to be done using SCRUM/agile development >> > methology. >> > It will be public open source project with project progress information >> > and final converted application published on AccessD. >> > This is planned to be as simple as possible project - the only >> > knowledge >> > of VS2008 that would be needed at the beginning is how to design .NET >> > WinForms by dragginbg and dropping controls and settings some >> > properties. >> > And this development activity is simple - my seven years old kid >> > started >> > to "design" WinForms after 2 minutes of my introduction, and he even >> > "programmed" buttons' click events reaction etc. Really easy and very >> > much >> > alike to the usual MS Access forms development. >> > >> > .NET ReportViewer Control reports' design experience would be a plus >> > but >> > not necessary as it's also rather straightforward to get acquanted with >> > for experienced developers whatever else Report Designer they used >> > before... >> > >> > Folks, if you can't join this project because you're very busy maybe >> > you >> > can at least participate in the "planning poker game"? There is a free >> > online tool to play it: http://www.planningpoker.com/ >> > >> > May I ask yuu all why Gustav and myself can't get a group of 5 team >> > members? >> > >> > If you do not want to answer on this question here please send me >> > private >> > e-mails with your reasons - just one most important reason or several, >> > and >> > I will collect them and publish here anonymously. And I can make an >> > anonymous online poll based on that reasons to vote and see what are >> > main >> > reasons, which stop such projects. Please write and send ANY reasons >> > which >> > stop you from participating in this discussion/project. >> > >> > I will wait for your votes/e-mails till next Wednesday as it's weekend >> > now >> > and not all listers work over weekend. I do hope somebody will join us >> > during the next week. >> > >> > In the meantime I will be preparing infrastructure, and some simple >> > tools >> > to patially automate this conversion, and I will have also to work for >> > my >> > customers of course... >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > -- >> > Shamil >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk> >> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:43:11 +0100 >> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) >> > >> >> Hi Shamil >> >> >> >> OK, I signed up. >> >> >> >> As for the software, the TargetProcess "community edition" will only >> >> do >> >> be free for 5 licenses. If more users, it is USD 249 for each and >> >> every >> >> user: >> >> >> >> Q. What if I need 6 users pack? >> >> In this case it will be required to purchase 6 full licenses. >> >> Community >> >> Edition allows to have 5 licenses, if you need more, you have to >> >> migrate >> >> to On-Site or On-Demand Full Edition. >> >> >> >> However, at this moment this limitation seems of no importance. >> >> >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 28-02-2009 15:43 >>> >> >> >> >> Hi Gustav and Fellow Listers, >> >> >> >> Yes, the response on my proposal is a bit discouraging but I'm >> >> continuing >> >> preparation here for the conversion project of MS Access NorthWind >> >> sample >> >> app to .NET WinForms. >> >> >> >> Yes, Gustav, we can try to do it just with you but SCRUM/agile process >> >> needs a little bit more team members - at least 4-5: if doing this >> >> project by using just your and mine efforts it can be done agile way >> >> but >> >> not SCRUM, and it will take more time, and what is most important it >> >> will >> >> not show advantages of working as a team - and the advantages in this >> >> case is not only joining the efforts and skills - the main advantage >> >> is >> >> to experience how teamwork influences one's own views and insights - >> >> and >> >> it does influence then very effectively - I mean that - I have just >> >> experienced that during CSM course in Helsinki. Even participating for >> >> years in great dicussion lists as this AccessD one do not change one's >> >> stereotypes and (conservative) ways of thinking as SCRUM/agile >> >> teamwork >> >> does... >> >> >> >> I plan to keep preparing SCRUM/agile infrastructure for the Northwind >> >> conversion project within the next week - in my plans is to setup DNN >> >> site - first step is done: >> >> >> >> http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/dnn49 >> >> >> >> nothing except registration there yet but it's up&running - I "just" >> >> need >> >> to add some DNN modules - do not know how to do that yet - plan to do >> >> that within the next week - I can keep posting SCRUM related info on >> >> this >> >> site as well as we can have wiki board on it to have "daily stand-up >> >> meetings" as well as I can setup newlist on it to have everybody >> >> registered and subscribed to this newlist informed on what is >> >> happening. >> >> Of course it will be forwarded here - the best woudl be to have >> >> separate >> >> SCRUM%Access-D list but it's probably too early? >> >> >> >> I'm also evaluating this software >> >> >> >> http://www.targetprocess.com/Product.aspx >> >> >> >> to have our project tasks and their completion progress status easily >> >> manageable and viewvable by every team member. I also expect (they >> >> talk >> >> about integration with CVS but I haven't yet evaluated how it's done) >> >> this software will allow to keep distributed source control for the >> >> team. >> >> This software seems to have a free community edition and if that is >> >> true >> >> then I can install it on my ASP.NET hosting web site. >> >> >> >> Please everybody interested help me to evaluate how useful it is for >> >> our >> >> purposes. >> >> If you can find any better ASP.NET alternatives that woull be very >> >> useful. >> >> >> >> I persoally like a lot this Team Taskboard of SCRUMWorks software: >> >> >> >> http://danube.com/sw_flash/feature/features-team_taskboard.html >> >> >> >> but this software is JAVA based and a "black-box" for me - I'd not use >> >> it >> >> because of that. >> >> >> >> I'm currently spending considerably more than one hour here to prepare >> >> all that - I can't ask to spend that much time you or other AcceessD >> >> members but when everything ready I'd propose to strickly keep the >> >> context of spending not more than one hour (5 hours total per week) >> >> for >> >> this project. Well, maybe some more time discussing here how it will >> >> be >> >> proceeding... >> >> >> >> I'd set 9th of Macrh 2009 as the start date for this project - OK? - >> >> if >> >> nobody will join us by that date we will try to do it together with >> >> you. >> >> Everybody are welcome! If to not participate in this project by doing >> >> some simple .NET forms design/program then at least to help us to >> >> evaluate how much this or that feature/task will take to get >> >> implemented. >> >> This is so called "estimation using planning poker cards" - >> >> http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker - doing such an estimation by two >> >> people could result in not so good results as when it's done by 5 or >> >> more >> >> people. >> >> >> >> Here are some links on SCRUM/agile and related issues - I will keep >> >> posting links like that to get convinced some more AccessD members to >> >> join our project: >> >> >> >> Tobias Mayer - my facilitator during SCRUM course there in Helsinki: >> >> http://www.danube.com/blog/tobias_mayer/ >> >> >> >> Agile software development info: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development >> >> >> >> Scale Back: Small is Beautiful - how group evaluation/planning results >> >> in >> >> simple but very good results: >> >> http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/08/18/scale-back-small-is-beautiful >> >> >> >> Extreme Scrum (154KB) >> >> https://www-927.ibm.com/ibm/cas/archives/2007/data/Agile/Extreme_Scrum.pdf >> >> >> >> What happens when we are all connected - Future Views >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqPs0xuG39Q (~6 min) >> >> >> >> "Only 3% of the world is on broadband today, and it's neither cheap, >> >> fast >> >> or mobile enough. This will change in the next 2-3 years, and the >> >> implications are huge: everyone shares, everyone networks with >> >> strangers-like-me, everyone co-creates, everything is connected. A >> >> video >> >> by Futurist and Author Gerd Leonhard" >> >> >> >> Working on SCRUM/Agile infrastructure here/expecting for more AccessD >> >> to >> >> connect this project... >> >> >> >> Please comment on this my posting - all and every comments and >> >> contributions are very welcome! >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Shamil >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> >> >> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >> >> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:10:00 +0100 >> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) >> >> >> >> > Hi Shamil >> >> > >> >> > Not much response to your proposal ... I guess our fellow listers >> >> > are >> >> > too busy or just don't feel the need to experience how to work in a >> >> > group. >> >> > To be honest, neither do I have currently that need but as "you >> >> > never >> >> > know" I am prepared to allocate the time you suggest. That makes >> >> > two. >> >> > But two? Doesn't it require three "to make a crowd"? >> >> > >> >> > Your adjusted description of the project fits me very well. >> >> > >> >> > /gustav >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> AccessD mailing list >> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >