Doug Murphy
dw-murphy at cox.net
Sun Mar 1 11:58:58 CST 2009
Hi folks, I have been working some with VS2008 in ASP.NET and a few small VB.NET WinForms apps. I would like to work with you on this as I have been looking at VS as a good database front end environment as Microsoft moves office further away from what I think most business need for their application. I see this as a good learning excercise. Let me know if I can play, help or lurk. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:22 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum Hi John, Yes, I'd do that in C#. As William mentioned here many times for C# there are much more public sources with many samples of all kinds of .NET Framework-based application programming. For me one important additional advantage of C# is that I can post C# code in newsgroups and anybody can use it by copy and paste into their projects without line wrapping issues. (As far as I know VB10 also gets "divorced" with the need to use line continuation char but current VB8 (VS2008) version still uses it)). And the project we're going to do will have just a few manual coding I expect so it shoudln't be an issue for you to collaborate in this project as the main activity would be forms/reports design very similar to MS Access, and learning by doing how to make such projects in a distributed environment - for the latter we all will be at the beginners level... Visual C# 2008 Express Edition should be OK if it supports .NET Framework's ReportViewer control design mode. If Visual C# 2008 Express Edition doesn't support .NET ReportViewer control design mode then SQL Server Business Intelligence Design Studio can be used to design reports - this version for MS SQL 2005 have to be used: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms173767(SQL.90).aspx But designing reports on SQL Server Business Intelligence Design Studio and then porting them into Visual Studio could result in some additional manual work... How can we check does Visual C# 2008 Express Edition support .NET Framework ReportViewer control design mode or not? Do you have VB 2008 or Visual C# 2008 Express Edition installed? Yes, I'd keep this project discussion here on AccessD, maybe switch to AccessD-VB as Gustav proposed when we will get the team of 5 developers settled. Do we have now you in our team? Is it now Gustav, Mike, Shamil and John? That would be great if you can join us! Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:42:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum > Shamil, > > I too am a Sole Proprietor consultant working all by myself, in my > home office. I have not done development as a member of a development > team since the mid 90s. Of course this would be just such an opportunity, but... > > Your intention is to do this in C#? What role would a developer such as myself play in the team? > The only real C experience I have is a two year stint developing a > uController vending machine in C back in 1996-97. I have my doubts I > could come up to speed in C# quickly enough to actually write code for this project. > > OTOH it would be fun to be involved. > > What variant of .net? The free C#.Net express? Are we keeping this > here on AccessD or will there be a private channel for me to look like an idiot on? > > ;) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > Hi Gustav and Fellow Listers, > > > > Yes, the response on my proposal is a bit discouraging but I'm continuing preparation here for the conversion project of MS Access NorthWind sample app to .NET WinForms. > > > > Yes, Gustav, we can try to do it just with you but SCRUM/agile process needs a little bit more team members - at least 4-5: if doing this project by using just your and mine efforts it can be done agile way but not SCRUM, and it will take more time, and what is most important it will not show advantages of working as a team - and the advantages in this case is not only joining the efforts and skills - the main advantage is to experience how teamwork influences one's own views and insights - and it does influence then very effectively - I mean that - I have just experienced that during CSM course in Helsinki. Even participating for years in great dicussion lists as this AccessD one do not change one's stereotypes and (conservative) ways of thinking as SCRUM/agile teamwork does... > > > > I plan to keep preparing SCRUM/agile infrastructure for the Northwind conversion project within the next week - in my plans is to setup DNN site - first step is done: > > > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/dnn49 > > > > nothing except registration there yet but it's up&running - I "just" need to add some DNN modules - do not know how to do that yet - plan to do that within the next week - I can keep posting SCRUM related info on this site as well as we can have wiki board on it to have "daily stand-up meetings" as well as I can setup newlist on it to have everybody registered and subscribed to this newlist informed on what is happening. Of course it will be forwarded here - the best woudl be to have separate SCRUM%Access-D list but it's probably too early? > > > > I'm also evaluating this software > > > > http://www.targetprocess.com/Product.aspx > > > > to have our project tasks and their completion progress status easily manageable and viewvable by every team member. I also expect (they talk about integration with CVS but I haven't yet evaluated how it's done) this software will allow to keep distributed source control for the team. This software seems to have a free community edition and if that is true then I can install it on my ASP.NET hosting web site. > > > > Please everybody interested help me to evaluate how useful it is for our purposes. > > If you can find any better ASP.NET alternatives that woull be very useful. > > > > I persoally like a lot this Team Taskboard of SCRUMWorks software: > > > > http://danube.com/sw_flash/feature/features-team_taskboard.html > > > > but this software is JAVA based and a "black-box" for me - I'd not use it because of that. > > > > I'm currently spending considerably more than one hour here to prepare all that - I can't ask to spend that much time you or other AcceessD members but when everything ready I'd propose to strickly keep the context of spending not more than one hour (5 hours total per week) for this project. Well, maybe some more time discussing here how it will be proceeding... > > > > I'd set 9th of Macrh 2009 as the start date for this project - OK? - if nobody will join us by that date we will try to do it together with you. Everybody are welcome! If to not participate in this project by doing some simple .NET forms design/program then at least to help us to evaluate how much this or that feature/task will take to get implemented. This is so called "estimation using planning poker cards" - http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker - doing such an estimation by two people could result in not so good results as when it's done by 5 or more people. > > > > Here are some links on SCRUM/agile and related issues - I will keep posting links like that to get convinced some more AccessD members to join our project: > > > > Tobias Mayer - my facilitator during SCRUM course there in Helsinki: > > http://www.danube.com/blog/tobias_mayer/ > > > > Agile software development info: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development > > > > Scale Back: Small is Beautiful - how group evaluation/planning results in simple but very good results: > > http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/08/18/scale-back-small-is-beautif > > ul > > > > Extreme Scrum (154KB) > > https://www-927.ibm.com/ibm/cas/archives/2007/data/Agile/Extreme_Scr > > um.pdf > > > > What happens when we are all connected - Future Views > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqPs0xuG39Q (~6 min) > > > > "Only 3% of the world is on broadband today, and it's neither cheap, fast or mobile enough. This will change in the next 2-3 years, and the implications are huge: everyone shares, everyone networks with strangers-like-me, everyone co-creates, everything is connected. A video by Futurist and Author Gerd Leonhard" > > > > Working on SCRUM/Agile infrastructure here/expecting for more AccessD to connect this project... > > > > Please comment on this my posting - all and every comments and contributions are very welcome! > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:10:00 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) > > > >> Hi Shamil > >> > >> Not much response to your proposal ... I guess our fellow listers are too busy or just don't feel the need to experience how to work in a group. > >> To be honest, neither do I have currently that need but as "you never know" I am prepared to allocate the time you suggest. That makes two. But two? Doesn't it require three "to make a crowd"? > >> > >> Your adjusted description of the project fits me very well. > >> > >> /gustav > >> > > > > <<< tail trimmed >>> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com