[AccessD] science on visual controls

Darryl Collins Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au
Sun Mar 22 05:33:12 CDT 2009


"Yeah right, 'scuse me, I need a pee!"

Max, This is when you need to use 'Aim' over 'Objective' - otherwise you risk geting your shoes wet. ;) hehehehe..

I agree with you 100% though. Those team building things I generally find a complete waste of time.

Cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls


The problem is Michael, that during my lifetime I have spent (wasted) so
much time sitting in rooms where people were nurturing their egos and trying
to be PC (politically correct) rather than achieve the task in hand.  I have
done so many "Team  Building" days that it is unbelievable.  When you have a
basic personality disorder such as mine which is "Identify what you want to
do - confirm it - achieve it", it does not sit well with people who (and I
have had to endure this) want to discuss the difference between "Aims" and
"Objectives" - I kid you not!  When should we use "Aims", when should we use
"Objectives". Are they different if so, how? And so I.  When I chip and say
"What do you actually want to do?" the shout me down saying "Your missing
the point - this is not about 'doing' anything, it is about talking about
'doing' something."  Yeah right, 'scuse me, I need a pee!

I have been on courses where I have been told I am not a good Team Member
because I didn't chip into all the arguments about how we need to set up an
assembly line to make notepads out of scrap paper, paper clips etc.  While
they were arguing about it and squirting testosterone all over the place, I
went to the back of the rooms and made the required 4 notepads.

I might not be a good Team Member in their eyes, but I am a good Manager and
have been so for over 45 years.  I also achieve.

Talking of which, I am going to set myself the immediate task of finding my
way back to bed now!  I don't know if it would be called an aim or an
objective but I do know what I want to do and I bet I succeed!

Thanks

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: 22 March 2009 03:59
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls

Hi Max,

I think you have to submit yourself to the appropriate certification course
...
Hee Hee !!!

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls


>I liken the Ribbon to the tools in my garage.  They are nicely collected
> into groups each representing a function. I have socket sets, I have
> open-ended spanners, I have ring-spanners, I have woodwork tools,
> electrical
> tools etc.  This works very well when I need to go find something that I
> use
> infrequently.  For the items that I am constantly using, I have a toolbox
> and in there I can lay my hand on nearly everything I need for 90% of the
> time.
> Pre-Ribbon, Most of the common items were already on the menu items and it
> was an easy job to drag-n-drop the odd spanner or two.
> Post-Ribbon, I have to think about "What group would the function fall
> under
> thatI want to use". If I can successfully come up with the same answer the
> MS UI group did, then I can click on that and then search for it.  I then
> have to repeat it for the next "thing" I want do do.  As a developer this
> is
> sooo tedious.
> I want grouping my requirement not by functionality.
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> On 3/21/09, Jack and Pat <drawbridgej at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Susan,
>> Try this in google  "computer forms UI design principles".
>> A little dated, but it's a start.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:35 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] science on visual controls
>>
>> I googled, and got a lot of information about the science, the degree...
>> but
>>
>> nothing specific about what the science has produced in the way of
>> improving
>>
>> UI and data entry.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>> > and more specifically , the branch of User Interface Design
>> >
>> > On 22 Mar 2009 at 7:53, Steve Schapel wrote:
>> >
>> >> Susan,
>> >>
>> >> The science is called HCI (Human Computer Interaction).
>>
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