Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Thu Sep 3 07:15:41 CDT 2009
Hi Stuart, <<< Man-hammer-nail!!! >>> No :) <<< So now you need massive full blown database management systems to manipulate XML data? >>> Yes. Or .NET would be enough sometimes. One Example: MS Office 2007 (2010) documents are all XML based - now give me a "hammer" to effectively search for information in them? -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:22 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML (was: PDF vs Access) <quote> The Toronto XML Server is a repository for XML data and metadata, which supports real and virtual XML documents. Real documents are stored as files or mapped into relational or object databases, depending on their structuredness; indices are defined according to the storage method used. </quote> <quote> Using the Sonic XML Server, organizations can simplify processing and storage of XML documents </quote> <quote> save a considerable amount of time as well as development and operational cost that would otherwise be spent for adapting traditional, yet XML-enabled solutions (RDBMS) to work effectively in an XML environment. </quote> So now you need massive full blown database management systems to manipulate XML data? Man-hammer-nail!!! -- Stuart On 3 Sep 2009 at 14:28, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote: > <<< > If I want a data store, I'll use a data store - > not an eXtended Markup Language text file. > >>> > Hi Stuart, > > What about XML servers? > > ToX - Toronto XML server > http://www.cs.toronto.edu/tox/ > > Progress Sonic XML Server > http://www.sonicsoftware.com/products/sonic_xml_server/index.ssp > > Tamino XML Server > http://www.xml.com/pub/p/119 > > ... > > -- > Shamil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:51 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML (was: PDF vs Access) > > If I want a data store, I'll use a data store - not an eXtended Markup > Language text file. > > If I want a lightweight database, I can use Access Jet, SQL Server CE, > SQLite or any one > of a number of other even lighter solutions . > > If they are overkill, I can roll my own delimited or random access file in a > few minutes, or > just read write an array in memory to/from disk (just a couple of lines of > code) - all of these > approaches are actually designed to *be* data stores. > > The definitive explanation of what XML is comes from > http://www.w3.org/TR/xml/ > <quote> > The Extensible Markup Language (XML) is a subset of SGML that is completely > described > in this document. Its goal is to enable generic SGML to be served, received, > and processed > on the Web in the way that is now possible with HTML. XML has been designed > for ease of > implementation and for interoperability with both SGML and HTML. > </quote> > > > Sheesh - talk about "to a man with a hammer".... > > -- > Stuart > > On 2 Sep 2009 at 7:45, Charlotte Foust wrote: > > > You don't, Stuart. You use xml as a structured data store. > > > > Charlotte Foust > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > > McLachlan > > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:20 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML (was: PDF vs Access) > > > > When reading and writing *my on data*, what advantage does XML give me? > > > > Why would I want to "markup" the data with lots of overhead using tags > > when I already know what it means? > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 2 Sep 2009 at 8:45, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > > > Hi Stuart > > > > > > Charlotte is right. In .Net XML is fun, indeed when writing and > > reading your own data - piece of cake. > > > Further, there is no way avoiding XML - it is here to stay wether you > > like it or not. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4390 (20090902) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.esetnod32.ru > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru