[AccessD] XML (was: PDF vs Access)

Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Thu Sep 3 07:15:41 CDT 2009


Hi Stuart,

<<<
Man-hammer-nail!!!
>>>
No :)

<<<
So now you need massive full blown database 
management systems to manipulate XML 
data?
>>>
Yes. 
Or .NET would be enough sometimes.
One Example: MS Office 2007 (2010) documents are all XML based - now give me
a "hammer" to effectively search for information in them?

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Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML (was: PDF vs Access)

<quote>
The Toronto XML Server is a repository for XML data and metadata, which
supports real 
and virtual XML documents.
Real documents are stored as files or mapped into relational or object
databases, depending 
on their structuredness; indices are defined according to the storage method
used.
</quote>

<quote>
Using the Sonic XML Server, organizations can simplify processing and
storage of XML 
documents 
</quote>

<quote>
save a considerable amount of time as well as development and operational
cost that would 
otherwise be spent for adapting traditional, yet XML-enabled solutions
(RDBMS) to work 
effectively in an XML environment.
</quote>


So now you need massive full blown database management systems to manipulate
XML 
data?

Man-hammer-nail!!!

-- 
Stuart


 On 3 Sep 2009 at 14:28, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> <<<
> If I want a data store, I'll use a data store - 
> not an eXtended Markup Language text file.
> >>>
> Hi Stuart,
> 
> What about XML servers?
> 
> ToX - Toronto XML server
> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/tox/ 
> 
> Progress Sonic XML Server
> http://www.sonicsoftware.com/products/sonic_xml_server/index.ssp 
> 
> Tamino XML Server
> http://www.xml.com/pub/p/119
> 
> ...
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML (was: PDF vs Access)
> 
> If I want a data store, I'll use a data store - not an eXtended Markup
> Language text file.
> 
> If I want a lightweight database, I can use  Access Jet,  SQL Server CE,
> SQLite or any one 
> of a number of other even lighter solutions .  
> 
> If they are overkill, I can roll my own delimited or random access file in
a
> few minutes, or 
> just read write an array in  memory to/from disk (just a couple of lines
of
> code) - all of these 
> approaches are  actually designed to *be* data stores.  
> 
> The definitive explanation of what XML is comes from
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml/
> <quote>
> The Extensible Markup Language (XML) is a subset of SGML that is
completely
> described 
> in this document. Its goal is to enable generic SGML to be served,
received,
> and processed 
> on the Web in the way that is now possible with HTML. XML has been
designed
> for ease of 
> implementation and for interoperability with both SGML and HTML.
> </quote>
> 
> 
> Sheesh - talk about "to a man with a hammer"....
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 2 Sep 2009 at 7:45, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> 
> > You don't, Stuart.  You use xml as a structured data store. 
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:20 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] XML (was: PDF vs Access)
> > 
> > When reading and writing *my on data*, what advantage does XML give me?
> > 
> > Why would I want to "markup" the data with lots of overhead using tags
> > when I already know what it means?
> > 
> > --
> > Stuart
> > 
> > On 2 Sep 2009 at 8:45, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Stuart
> > > 
> > > Charlotte is right. In .Net XML is fun, indeed when writing and
> > reading your own data - piece of cake.
> > > Further, there is no way avoiding XML - it is here to stay wether you
> > like it or not.
> > > 
> > > /gustav
> > > 
> > 
> 
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