William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Tue Feb 9 13:00:19 CST 2010
Shamil ...I think Max has already passed Eat Bloat off to AccessD ...iirc JC was going to put it into a class structure as time allowed ...bloat is certainly a continuing problem at least through A2K3 ...Eat Bloat used to do wonders for me in fixing transient problems as well as bloat but the latest version just errors out for me ...been waiting for JC to get a revised version out ...your App Mgr certainly sounds like a most worthwhile replacement. ...as to properties I'm referring to those we set when we start a new mdb design ...jc has an addin C2DbProperties that does a number of them but I'm looking for the next step up allowing creating a new mdb from multiple preset configs ...I use different settings for an mdb in design than I do one ready to be compiled into an mde. ...I hope you can work something out with the vendor but from his site it doesn't look like he'd be partial to the idea ...that doesn't mean you couldn't share the workload of course, just not sure the codeplex license would work in this case. ...I'm more than willing to give it a try but as you know I'm no code guru ...but the economy here ensures that I'll have some time available for the next few months anyway and I have Visual Studio Pro 8 to work with ...I may invest in A2010 if the early reviews hold up but A2K7 is no-no for me ...still A2k3 bound :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:51 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET > Hi William -- > > Decompile - OK. > > "Eat Bloat": it's up to Max to decide would it be worth to port his code > to > a .NET COM-Add-in? In fact I worked on similar but a more advanced add-in > in > 1999 - this code (Application Manager) did disassemble MS Access > application > databases into "MS Access object vault databases", and did build them back > from that vault with whatever configuration one needed etc.etc., and that > did solve, by the way, the bloat issue. Not sure all that advanced stuff > is > needed nowadays... > > <<< > I'd love to have an add-in that let me easily configure the property > settings >>>> > Do you mean MS Access database (custom) properties? If yes - that's in my > plan already, also for MS Excel and MS Word... > > <<< > there are so many add-ins that standardizing on a single AccessD version > would be sweet >>>> > Yes, I'm thinking to maybe make this Access Developer Assistant an open > source project on CodePlex - with every new add-in being a "plug-in" to > the > Access Developer Assistant add-in core. Then CodePlex will keep the stable > version of a set of small add-ins/plug-ins and everybody would be able to > use this code and to develop their own plug-ins to test and use them > locally and then submit if they wish to the "host" Access Developer > Assistant core. That's doable but such a project needs an active group of > participants... > > The "plug-ins" can be developed as separate Visual Studio (Express, > Standard, Professional,...) class-libraries using VB.NET, C#, C++/CLI.... > It's not a big issue to make such a "pluggable" add-in here, and to share > it > on CodePlex - it should be doable within one-two months in parallel to my > work for customers... > > There are some technical questions how to "expose" "plug-ins" on MS Access > commandbars/ribbon using special XML(?) description - I must say I didn't > work with ribbon, and I do not know how this is done but that should be > doable AFAICG... > > IMO very useful thing about "Add-In Express for Office and .NET" is that > is > allows to create in design mode one's own commandbars/ribbons as well as > to > extend standard menus/commandbars/ribbons and even extend standard popup > (right-click) MS Access IDE context menus, catch to host application > events > etc. They define such extensions statically on design time - it should be > doable dynamically if needed using custom declarations of add-in core and > plug-ins... > > <<< > V-Tools and MZTools are the ones I use most ...love the way MZTools just > works in the VBE >>>> > Yes, that kind of stuff is doable - I even programmed some of similar > stuff > but again this is not a work for one person if that will be an open source > project - it's very time consuming work for sure, I do know that from my > experience... > > If there will be high interest here for this project I can talk to Add-In > Express owners to get a shared license to keep such a project on CodePlex > (without Add-In Express sources of course) - I suppose they (Add-In > Express > owners) could be interested in such a "PR-campaign"? Although such a > project > could also mean for them that they will lose some customers who will use > open source project and who will not purchase their software? > > I'm saying "shared" license, which means here that there will be a setup > of > Access Developer Assistant "pluggable" core on CodePlex. And everybody > would > be able to develop their own "plug-ins" to be activated from the core. But > I, of course, will not be able to share Add-In Express developer > setup/license, as that would not be accepted by Add-In Express Owners. > Also, > I'm not 100% sure, would it be possible to share their MS Access/Office > version independent Primary Interop Assemblies (PIAs), which would be > needed > for local development of plug-in class libraries... > > I have got already sample add-in running here. I will test its setup in > the > coming days, and I will make it available for download then. It doesn't do > that much - just shows About WinForm when activated from > commandbar/ribbon, > and lists some database objects in a dialog box - but that's enough to > test > how well setup works in "MS Access version independent" mode. BTW, Add-In > Express also has "click-once" setup their docs say. It has to be tested of > course but I'm quite sure it works well - Add-In Express company has > already > got 10,000+ customers, and their support site is active and quality of > support is high... > > All and every opinions on the subject, and probable Access Developer > Assistant open source project are very welcome! (I should note again - I'm > not sure yet how to "share" Add-In Express license and PIAs for an open > source project - it might be an issue blocking this probable project...) > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:48 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET > > Shamil > > ...second the decompile ...but an add-in should take it through the entire > multi-step procedure to get back to a compiled/compacted state > > ...might be an ideal place to standardize Max's Eat Bloat code > > ...I'd love to have an add-in that let me easily configure the property > settings of any mdb > multiple configs would be nice, one for design mode work, one for > pre-deployment as an mde, etc > > ...there are so many add-ins that standardizing on a single AccessD > version > would be sweet > V-Tools and MZTools are the ones I use most ...love the way MZTools > just > > works in the VBE > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:19 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: [AccessD] Add-In Express 2009 for MS Office and .NET > >> Hi All - >> >> >> >> I have got the subject license >> (http://www.add-in-express.com/add-in-net/ ) >> and I wanted to try Add-In Express to develop a sample add-in - Access >> Developer Assistant, which will do a few useful things for Access >> Developers. >> >> >> >> I have got already developed a very simple sample MS Access add-in just >> to >> test how it all works - so far so good - it gets installed well and it's >> running in general but I have got a few questions to ask Add-In Express >> Developers on their site before I will make this sample add-in publicly >> available. >> >> >> >> I'm interested to hear your opinions and proposals what simple everyday >> tasks you wanted to see automated within the sample add-in? - that could >> be >> any tasks including VBA coding generation/automation. I plan to post here >> (or in dba-VB? - that will be C# code) most of the code of the sample >> add-in. >> >> >> >> Good news about Add-In Express is that MS Office/Access add-ins developed >> using this tool could be made MS Office/Access version independent. >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Shamil >> >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >