Reuben Cummings
accessd at gfconsultants.com
Wed Jan 27 08:59:03 CST 2010
I don't do 1500/year - I've probably done nearly 1000 total. That includes CDs I send to current clients to re-install themselves. I have no control over anything at the user site. Not one single installation problem... Reuben Cummings GFC, LLC 812.523.1017 > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:00 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > I agree with Charlotte. Not sure what kind of distribution > numbers, but when > you're talking over 1500 installs a year, it had better be > "Rock Solid" > across every kind of situation... > > My users / potential customers can't handle problems of any > kind, the last > thing you want is a problem right off the bat, during an install.. ;-( > > WBR > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Charlotte Foust > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:36 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > You've been incredibly lucky then, Reuben. I gave up on the > wizard around > Access 2.0 and switched to InstallShield to get done what I > needed. I found > the wizard in 97 and 2000 no improvement. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Reuben Cummings > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:58 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > I hate to leave what continues to work... > > Still running A2000. Have always used the built in Package > and Deployment > Wizard without failure. > And my installs co-exist with other versions of Access > without trouble. > Newer versions are installed in folders numbered to indicate > their version > and the runtime will install in a folder named ART. > The only problem, which I have never had, is that the user > has A2000 at > installation time so runtime does not install and the user > then upgrades and > removes 2000 in the process. > > Reuben Cummings > GFC, LLC > 812.523.1017 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:06 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > > > Given that I'm going to have to move to a newer version of > > Access in order > > to get some solid deployment tool can someone remind me which > > are the good, > > the bad and the ugly Access versions since, say, A2000? > > > > > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > John Bartow > > Sent: 24 January 2010 23:18 > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > Have used Wise/Sagekey for years now and was the answer to > > all of these > > issues. Now, as Doug mentioned, Wise recommends theirs MSI > > Script rather > > than their Wise scrip. This is because Wise had been bought > > by two companies > > in the last couple of years. The first was committed to it - > > the second is > > Symantec and they seem to have no desire to carry on the Wise > > installer > > excellence. (Is that a surprise to anyone?) > > > > Given my experiences with Barry and the Sagekey group I'd > > highly recommend > > you contact them for all of your installers needs. > > > > John B > > PS I get no kickbacks from this ;o) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Doug Murphy > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:25 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > Hello Andy, > > > > With the scripts for Wise or Instalshield you had to purchase > > either Wise or > > Instalshield and then purchase the script that Sagekey > > developed to creat > > the installation package with which ever install package you > > had. I am not > > familiar with the MSI product but Sagekey indicated in one of > > their mailings > > that this was the approach to use now. Their wizard may use > > this technology > > to create the installation package. As I indicate, I have not > > used it so > > can't comment. I only have experience with the script for > > Wise Installer 9. > > I do have faith in Sagekey products to produce reliable installation > > packages which ever one you choose. > > > > > > Doug > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:08 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > That's encourgaing Doug. I'm a little unclear though what I'd > > be buying from > > here http://www.sagekey.com/installation_access.aspx . You > > speak of Sagekey > > scripts. Is that different from the Sagekey Deployment Wizard > > then? I had > > assumed the wizard was a tool they supplied to generate the > > scripts but > > maybe not. If I click "Buy" on that link am I buying the > > ability to use > > either method? > > > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Doug Murphy > > Sent: 23 January 2010 20:30 > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > > > Andy, > > > > We are still using the Access 2002 runtime with Wise and the > > most current > > Sagekey scripts that take into account Vista, and I assume > > Win. 07 security > > issues. We have stayed with 2002 because that is where our > > investment is and > > don't need any of the new features. We have not had any > > issues with Vista > > installs or with installs of our package in Windows 07. The > > reason for using > > the Sagekey scripts is that then your application can run on > > a machine with > > other versions of Office installed and not cause the issue > with Office > > trying to reinstall every time you run another version of one of its > > applications. The scripts also install all the runtime stuff > > in a separate > > directory so they don't get overwritten or interfere with > > anything else. > > Just be aware that they accomplish the compatiblity stuff by > > opening your > > application through a little program called runAccess.exe, in > > our version > > anyway. This takes care of registry settings, security and > > what ever else > > needs tweeking. The shortcut their installation puts on the > > desktop goes to > > this program with the proper keys, etc. If you look at the > > shortcut you can > > figure out what it does. > > > > There have been issues with the Access installation wizard in > > past versions. > > Not sure if that is true now. > > > > Doug > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:00 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > Now I'm getting worried. Will the "Sagekey Access 2007 > > Deployment Wizard" > > install my app on any machine, whatever its OS, and whether > or not it > > already has Access installed? Oh and if it does already have > > Access will it > > behave itself and not upset the existing installation? > > > > If I can't guarantee that it's a non-starter. > > > > Rocky, you must have this issue with your product. Do all of > > your installs > > run smoothly or do some get problems? > > > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert > > Sent: 23 January 2010 19:39 > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > > > Rocky, > > > > That's part of it, and a big one, but they also handle the > > permission > > system issues very well also.. > > > > Yea the Sagekey Access 2007 Deployment Wizard works well, but > > it is not > > ANYWHERE near as flexible as the Wise / Sagekey solution, > > which is of course > > not recommended for Windows 7 (and for me Vista) Installations. > > > > They have also chosen, IMO, some really odd default path > > structures for > > Windows XP installations. (They choose the "C:\Documents and > > Settings\All > > Users\AppData\....." for the <COMMON_APP_DATA> Variable). > > Which in my case > > will not work because the string that is created is too long > > for a windows > > desktop shortcut. > > > > I've talked with them about it, and suggested that they make > > the Windows XP > > location user adjustable, but they claim that it will destroy the > > foundations of programming and won't make the change.. I keep > > saying it > > won't make one bit a difference on a Windows XP installation, > > but alas they > > won't budge... :-) > > > > They are currently working on their 2010 version. > > > > > > WBR > > Robert > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:16 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > Sounds like I may be a bit behind the curve on Sagekey's > > product line. Doug > > says you can use their script for MSI - but IIRC there's some > > problem with > > MSI that the Wise/Sagekey combo finesses and I think it has > to do with > > multiple version of Access on the same box with the run time > > or perhaps any > > version of Access and the runtime coexisting. But I can't > > remember exactly. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:32 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > Ok, so I need Sagekey to create the script (wow, lot of money > > for a script!) > > and then Wise to do the actual install. Clear. And you say > > Sagekey provides > > the Access runtime files too? So, I develop my Access system > > as normal and > > need nothing other then Sagekey and Wise to deploy it. Is > > that right? Then > > my 'only' problem is that I don't have a version of Access > > later than 2002! > > Damn. > > > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Rocky Smolin > > Sent: 23 January 2010 16:55 > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > > > Andy: > > > > Yeah you still need Wise. I believe Sagekey supplies you > with all the > > Access files you need. Mostly those run-time files are stuff > > in Access > > already. The runtime, IIUC, is a subset of Access - just the > > stuff you need > > to run an mdb or mde without the files you need to do > development - no > > design view of anything. > > > > The script you buy from Sagekey is a Wise script and like a > > template - very > > well commented so you can easily modify it for your own > > purposes. I was > > able to do it with a bit of help from their tech support - which is > > excellent, BTW - and didn't really have to learn the Wise scripting > > language. > > > > I have the script for 2003. I think they'll still sell it. > > > > Doug Murphy also is a user of the Wise/Sagekey combo and he > can answer > > questions probably better than I. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:13 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > Thanks Rocky > > I've been to the Sagekey site > > http://www.sagekey.com/installation_access.aspx . The Lite > > and Pro versions > > appear to be complete installers which bypass the need for > > Access Deployment > > but presumably you still nned the Access Runtime. But you > > still need Wise, > > right? Sorry to be dense but can you briefly take me through > > what I need and > > the steps involved in building an installation? > > > > > > I also note they refer to a single license for Access 2007. > > What if I'm > > using an earlier version of Access? Any idea? > > > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > > Rocky Smolin > > Sent: 23 January 2010 14:59 > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > > > I have used the Wise/Sagekey combo for years with no > > problems. For that > > many installs it's probably well worth the bucks. > > > > Rocky > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Andy Lacey > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:42 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: [AccessD] Deploying Runtime > > > > Hi all > > I know this has been kicked around before so apoogies for > > raising it again > > but time's moved on so the current situation may have too. > > Anyway, a quick > > look at the the archives didn't illuminate me. > > > > I'm proposing to take an app written in Excel and rewrite it > > in Access. > > Problem is that it will need distributing to 200+ machines > > Europe-wide, most > > of which won't have Access. Now I haven't used Access Runtime > > for about 15 > > years so am well out-of-date and could do with an update. I guess my > > questions are; > > > > 1. Any chance of me getting hold of whatever's needed (Access > > Developer > > Edition is it?) to create runtimes for older versions (Access > > 2000, 2002)? > > > > Have in fact just looked and there's a copy of "Microsoft > Office 2000 > > Developer Tools for PC" on ebay in UK. Is that what I need? > > There's a copy > > of "Microsoft Office XP 2002 Developer 269-04560 COMMERCIAL" > > too. Is that > > the 2002 equivalent? If I buy either/both of these am I > > getting the right > > software? > > > > 2.If I get those is that all I need? I've seen a post on a > > forum which says, > > and I quote: > > "There can definitely be conflicts when installing ART to > > machines with full > > versions of Access. I use the 2002 ART and deploy those apps > > with the Wise > > Installer and use Sagekey scripts (www.sagekey.com) ... > this script is > > designed specificially to install my application with the ART > > on a machine > > with an exisiting version of Access so that they can both > > co-exist. They're > > not cheap - the scripts are around $400 USD, the Wise > > installer runs between > > $400-$1000 USD - but they make your life a lot easier. Since > > switching to > > these scripts and the Wise Installer, my support calls for > > installation have > > been reduced to almost nothing; " > > > > Do others back up this experience? > > > > Id appreciate you guys' wise advice as always. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >